Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neoconservatism (Japan)

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The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 15:55, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Neoconservatism (Japan)

Neologism: The use of the term to refer to the group of young conservative politicians in Japan is not an established one in South Korea, Japan, or the rest of the world. It is only a name that the author of one news article of Choson Ilbo uses to call those Japanese politicians. The term that the author of the news article uses is not even "neoconservatism" exactly but "neocons," and his use of the term is not of scholastic definition but rather of pejorative manner with an insinuation to the famous neoconservatives of the U.S. If someone wants to write about the group of conservative Japanese politicians, it should be written in "Politics of Japan" or "Japanese politicians" or some other generic namespace related to Japanese politics. Saintjust 15:26, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• We could probably merge this to Politics of Japan, then. --Idont Havaname 19:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• I think we should keep it as is, as I expressed on the article's talk page. I think it's a bit hasty to make a judgement that this is an isolated neologism. —thames 04:41, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Merge. The author of this namespace rather seems to be concerned about creating another neocon article to add to the list of neoconservatism rather than genuinely interested in those Japanese politicians on their own merit. Saintjust 14:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Actually, I didn't have any agenda when creating it. I personally don't like the term neoconservative, since it is euphemistic at best. But after reading those Korean news items (cited as references), this namespace seemed the most appropriate place to put the information about this group of Japanese politicians. The Politics of Japan article doesn't really seem to have a place to discuss a small faction like these "neoconservatives"—it focuses on parties principally, whereas the Neoconservatism (Japan) article focuses on a group not drawn principally along party lines. —thames 16:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Update: I've added another reference link. This is from the Japan Times, a Japanese english-language newspaper. It's written by a (presumably American) professor teaching in Tokyo. It also refers to Shinzo Abe and Shigeru Ishiba as "neoconservatives". I think this further supports my above feeling that we're being too hasty in dismissing this article and its namespace. —thames 18:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Update: I've added a fourth reference link, this one from TIME Asia magazine referring to this group of legislators as "neoconservatives". —thames 18:08, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Update: I've added three more references (although the latter two from the FT require either an FT subscription or Nexis account), and rewritten the intro text for greater balance. —thames 20:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep thanks to expanded references. --Scimitar 21:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Yeah, keep it. Bonus Onus 00:45, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
• rename if a term has been used pejoratively, then it shouldn't be used as an article title since that inherently breaks NPOV Mozzerati 18:27, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)
  • I don't see why it's any different from having an article on Neoconservatism in the United States, a term which is just as, if not more, frequently used derisively, derogatorily, or abusively. —thames 21:25, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• keep, but rename to Neoconservative Faction or something similar. There are many factional groups in the Diet, and pages on the groups should probably be supported if accurate information can be found, and it would be a bit much to weigh down Politics of Japan with short articles on factions in the Diet. DirectorStratton 02:04, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • At Contrary,if appareing interesting.if other apport at topic, if another refference over present day japanese nationalism.i considered keep!over renamed if one interesting possibility but with your present name if well. —200.46.205.177 16:16, 7 Jun 2005

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