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The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 02:51, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Thematic Theory of Irish Music[edit]

original research Uncle G 20:02, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)

  • Keep. It refers to a paper that was circulated. It's not original research.--Dzimmer6 21:45, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • (Special:Contributions/Dzimmer6) Prove it. Cite your sources. It's strange that none of the "members the academic community in Boston" who saw this purported electronic mail message have never breathed a word about it on Usenet or on the Web in the years since, isn't it? It's almost as if this were a hokey theory that two drunk students thought up in a pub one day and decided to put on Wikipedia. Uncle G 23:24, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
    • Hey genius, take a closer look at that contributions link you so helpfully cited. I didn't write the article. I went into the edit mode one time well after it was written. I don't know these guys from Adam. It's an interesting article, and there's certainly something to the theory. And it's sad that I have to tell you this, but the number of times something shows up on Google is not always determinative of its legitimacy. Try googling Hungarian painter Samu Beregi.--Dzimmer6 20:53, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Interesting article, but it gets zero Google hits. --Idont Havaname 22:47, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I think there some way to expand this by adding more references to songs. --Neigel von Teighen 22:50, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Extreme delete. Not only original research, but racist. RickK 23:38, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, POV original research, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 02:02, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Definite keep. Wikipedia takes itself too seriously most of the time. This article is a breath of fresh air. -- RHaworth 13:12, 2005 Feb 5 (UTC)
    • We almost have to take ourselves seriously, this is and encyclopedia, after all. Delete. humblefool® 00:08, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Josh Cherry 20:20, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete near-joke of no particular value. This wouldn't even merit mention in Music of Ireland, certainly doesn't merit an article of its own. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:12, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, unmusicological, original research, drinking rant, trivial, not encyclopedic, drinking rant, possible vanity, drinking rant. Wyss 22:36, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, for reasons stated above. Besdies, "Spancil Hill", "Paddy on the Railway", "Kilkelly", "The Auld Orange Flute", "The Rocks of Baun", "Darby O'Leary", and plenty of others contradict this theory. I have to admit it does hold true for many though. -R. fiend 23:40, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • FYI, "Spancil Hill" contains the following lyrics:

I payed a flying visit to me first and only love / She´s as white as any lily, she´s as gentle as a dove / She threw her arms around me, saying "Johnny, I love you still" / Ah, she´s Ned, the farmer´s daughter, the pride of Spancil Hill /

If that's not a reference to women, I don't know what is. Similarly, "Auld Irish Flute" is about religious conflict between Catholics and Protestants, and talks about a Protestant fellow who marries a Catholic girl (Women AND fighting). "Darby" contains the memorable line "I was hungry and tired and my spirits were low /for I got neither whiskey nor water."

--Dzimmer6 19:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

      • Ah, but it does not say that "women" is an element, but "the courting of women". Dreaming about a lost love is close, but not actually courting. Mentioning someone had got married in a single line of a song doesn't count either. And while there is rivalry betwen Catholics and Protestants in the Auld Orange Flute, there is not any actual fighting. Having low spirits and thirst from not drinking doesn't really make it a song about drinking, in my view. If you take there rules too widely you probably won't find a song anywhere that doesn't reference these elements. -R. fiend 00:28, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • delete. Yuckfoo 01:19, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • delete -- but let it join the rest of the Bad Jokes etc. It reminds me of a fanous country music song by David Allan Coe that has meta-lyrical references to how all great country music songs are about trains, trucks, getting drunk, or getting out of prison. To make sure that his own song is the perfect country music soung, the narrator inserts the following verse. "I was drunk when my Mamma got out of prison/ I went to pick her up in my pick up truck. But before I could get to the railroad station, she got run oer by the gol darned traaaain."
I remember so well the first version I heard... Mama was drunk when she picked me up from prison in my pickup truck with my dog, but on the way home we got hit by a slow movin' freight train, my truck was wrecked and my pooooor dawg died... Wyss 19:38, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete; good for a chuckle, but now I need a drink. Antandrus 04:57, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Good for a laff I guess. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:09, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I don't see how this qualifies as "racist", although it is, I admit, a weak attempt at ethnic humour. Edeans 05:09, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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