Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan O'Connor

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The result of the debate was - no consensus - SimonP 13:59, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Dan O'Connor[edit]

Not notable. Hasn't done anything notable since Idol, was not a top ten finalist, and the stub has remained relatively unchanged as a result. Last VfD back in September resulted in no consensus. JamesBurns 06:24, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this is now my standard Idol contestant vote: Keep. By the policy that each episode of a major television series merits an article, we could recast all the losing contestant articles into Australian Idol season 2 episode (Dan O'Connor eliminated), etc., or however we'd title them. Or we could just accept short individual articles on the singers themselves. That makes more sense. Samaritan 06:57, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Why? That would be similar to giving all losing contestants on game shows their own articles. JamesBurns 07:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Idols are limited series with far fewer episodes than most game shows, and top 10 or 12 contestants are subject to a mass public vote based on their appeal in a field, singing, in which Wikipedia otherwise legitimately has articles on thousands and merits articles on hundreds of thousands of artists. Samaritan 13:15, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, top 12 is nearly top 10. Kappa 07:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
And top 15 is nearly top 12, and top 20 is nearly top 15, and top 30 is nearly top 20, and top 112 is nearly top 100, and "close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Delete. Soundguy99 08:20, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- IIRC, depending on the season and country, it's either the top 10 or 12 who go through the main public voting and elimination process. See the table and inbound link to O'Connor from Australian Idol... Samaritan
Delete, hasnt produced any recorded material since Idol, no allmusic.com entry - fails notability test. Megan1967 08:53, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - please note the bias against non US artists in the allmusic.com website - it also fails to mention Casey Donovan who won Australian Idol in 2004 and has recorded. I do not think reference to this web site is a valid test for non US musicians.--AYArktos 01:46, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as reasoned by Megan1967. --Feydey 10:14, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with Soundguy and Megan. Hasn't done anything notable since losing Idols. Article also lacks content. Merge into an article on the show and delete it. Mgm|^(talk) 10:16, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
Merge and redirect to Australian Idol. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Australian Idol. --G Rutter 13:28, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge and redirect to Australian Idol. --ScottDavis 15:00, 8 May 2005 (UTC)Keep - it seems he's going to do something else notable, so his own article will be able to tie his activities together. --ScottDavis 01:38, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect --Gmaxwell 18:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't support a redirect because there are other notable Dan O'Connors. A quick Google turned up a novelist, a 19th-century baseball player, a graphic artist, a researcher, and a comedian... and that's just on the first two pages! Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:54, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Keep this person has ongoing notability - Dan O'Connor is now starring in a soap opera in Australia, but quite a different one as it will feature on mobile phones (please see updated article and associated link to Sydney Morning Herald article). The proposal to delete this article was too soon (only just over 6 months after the chap was eliminated from Ausralian Idol). It seems that in Australia an Idol finalist is likely to have a career break into the entertainment industry. A search on Australian google (it is a common name after all) indicates that he has been employed in bits and pieces since the television show. There are plenty less notable biographies on Wikipedia. --AYArktos 23:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- "Bits and pieces".. that is an argument for notability? There is nothing on imdb or tvtome to indicate otherwise. JamesBurns 03:42, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Both imdb and tvtome like the allmusic.com website are US web sites. It seems to have escaped some people's notice that he is an Australian. Like other Australians he is under-represented in such US web sites. Reference to representation on these web sites is a fine criteria for evaluating a US actor or musician - it is not OK for other places in the world. Australian soaps are extremely popular in the UK and Europe and thus it is quite an export industry for our nation. Hence in Wikipedia there are a lot of minor soap stars with wiki biographies - eg the entire cast of Neighbours past and present seems to score their own individual entry. This person is at least as notable as the others.--AYArktos 08:11, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think O'Connor being an actor in the mobile phone soap - a 'first' in Australia - makes him notable enough. I think the article needs editing to put more weight on this, with the Australian Idol info as background. --Takver 02:09, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per above. R adiant _* 12:18, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
Delete, notability not established. Leanne 05:22, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nn. Iam 06:13, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Twelfth place. Yeah. --24.34.45.235 01:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not notable, other than an ad for some supposedly forthcoming thingamabob. Whig 06:57, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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