Talk:Characters of The Adventures of Tintin

Zorino

the zorino entry makes it sound like he was forced to stay with the inca. is this the case??

Yes. He had seen too much. Jordi·✆ 02:19, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Muller and Wronzoff

In the Black Island, Wronzoff was the leader of the group of counterfeits, not Muller. I changed the word to member and added Wronzoff's entry. Red Star

Colonel Jorgen and Wolff's Past

In Wolff's confession in "Explorers on the Moon", it is never stated that Jorgen was the one who persecuted Wolff in the past on behalf of his creditors or the foreign power, or that they even knew one another before the actual moon rocket mission. Rather, it is more probable that Wolff was being contacted and extorted by other agents over the years, until the moon mission was already well underway. It also appears from what Wolff says that he and Jorgen met for the first time only when already on the way to the moon - when, shortly after waking from the departure from Earth, Wolff goes down to the hold to free Jorgen of his stowing place; Wolff says that up until that point he had thought Jorgen was nothing but a nosy journalist.

• Yep, you are absolutely right. Besides, I don't know if the context of Wolf's betrayal (i.e. what he explains but is not really part of the main story) should be included here. I'll take the liberty to reword his entry a little bit. Glaurung 12:31, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Pictures

This page lacks something substantial, namely pictures of all the characters. I own all Tintin albums, so I can scan from them. abelson 17:46, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

That is a good idea. But that may make the page too large.

I think that it's a good idea too. If the page gets too big, we can take some of them out and just have a sample. --Apyule 01:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay. Would scanning pictures of characters from Tintin and putting them in Wikipedia count as fair use? I guess it is, as long as I don't scan whole pages. abelson 12:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Pictures of characters are fine. Just say that you scanned them, and use the fair use template. --Apyule 01:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Moulinsart (the copyright owners of Tintin) are very restrictive about images of Tintin, so be careful. GurraJG 12:46, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree, please be careful about putting those pictures on this page. I am writing an entry on the Sanders-Hardiman Expedition Members. I expect it to be completed soon. [anon.]

I have scanned and added a couple of pictures of the most important minor characters. I think the practice of fair use applies to them. abelson 17:01, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Good. A picture Chang Chong-Chen would also be nice as he is a notable character.

Müller's clinic

It is stated in the article that Müller's clinic is in Scotland, but that is incorrect. The counterfeiting lab is there, but according to what I can infer from The black island, the clinic is in or near Eastdown, Sussex. (No such town exists, I gather.) 82.210.117.215 09:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Castafiore and Jewel's song

>> the only thing that Castafiore is ever heard to sing is the opening line of the Jewel Song, l'air des bijoux, from Faust, always at ear-splitting volume: "Ah my beauty past compare, these jewels bright I wear!"

Incorrect. In Page 28 of King Ottokar's Sceptre, while travelling with Tintin in the car, she sings the next line 'Was I ever Margarita ?'.

In Page 29, at night in the jail, Tintin hears her sing, after the first line, 'Was I ever Margarita ? Is it I ? Come reply ! Mirror, mirror, tell me truly !' Tintin 19:21, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah yes, you are right. I just checked in the original French edition. I changed the article text accordingly. --AlainV 23:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Alain, can you please take a look at the last section of Faust (opera) also. Tintin 01:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, changed the Faust (opera) article too. --AlainV 01:28, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Page getting out of hand

Today, a paragraph on the Sanders-Hardiman Expedition members was added to the page. It was a very long summary of The Seven Crystal Balls and absolutely not adapted for this page. So I removed most of it to keep it short. But I'll take the opportunity to point out that this page is a little bit getting out of hand. It was primarily dedicated to secondary characters, but there is more and more insignificant characters that may not even be worth mentioning. (Or if it is, their entry should not be longer than a few sentences). for example, I am not really sure that we need entries for Bohlwinkel, Klumsi and Kronik, Puschov, Sanders-Hardiman Expedition Members, and Bobby Smiles.

Any thoughts? Glaurung 17:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree, though adding one of my own favourite characters, Wang Yen-Chi.. I've begun trimming down various characters, adding to thinly described ones, as well as linkifying a number of names.Poulsen 14:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Pictures

I have added some pictures.Please try to collect all the pictuers of the character and add some more minor characters. Dwaipayanc 13 November,2005

Moving the page back to its original name

An admin is needed to move the bage Adventured of Tintin back to its original name : Minor characters in Tintin The name change was unecessary and the new title does not make sense. Apparently, User:Edbon3000 didn't see that the page Chiquito was redirected to Minor characters in Tintin. I have moved his entry on the Chiquito page. We just need to move back this page to its original location, but the software doesn't let me do it, probably because the target page already exists. Thanks. Glaurung 11:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

• Meanwhile the page has been again renamed by someone else, so we have Minor characters in Tintin --> Adventured of Tintin --> Adventures of Tintin. We need to go back to the original name and delete the redirect page (maybe we could keep Adventures of Tintin but redirect it to The Adventures of Tintin Glaurung 08:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

A Big thank you to Poulsen and JoanneB for putting everything in order Glaurung 14:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The Bird brothers in Tintin and Alph-Art

Where in Tintin and Alph-Art do the Bird brothers appear?

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Missing characters

The list seems to miss several characters, who even have their own articles. Shouldn't this list include a short summary? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 14:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Spurious entries

The entries for "Morgan Freeman", "Thomas Edison" and "T. Rex" appear to be spurious and should be removed.--Death Bredon (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Images

These images show individual characters and help the reader identify them.--Marktreut (talk) 12:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Myself and others are happy to discuss the use of these images with you, but this edit warring is really not acceptable. I am going to remove the images again, and please, do not add them back. Instead, state your case here. For some reading to start with, you may want to take a look at our non-free content criteria, and this page, which discusses their use in lists. J Milburn (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I've already stated my case, but my argument skills are such that trying to reason with some people would require a solicitor. What exactly have you got against images that help to identify characters from a major comic series, especially since they are one-off images of individual characters, not the same one over and over again?--Marktreut (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

There was far too much fair use content in this article. Our non-free content criteria encourages us to use as few images as possible. It is enough that the individual articles have the images. Chillum 00:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Recent edits

This article contained massive amounts of speculation and re-telling of the stories, as well as style problems. It needed massive improvement and I've made a start. Reverting all attempts at improving an article is not acceptable. If anyone feels additional details about minor characters are massively needed for some reason, they can always be added in, but simply edit-warring will not get us anywhere. Mezigue (talk) 18:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

• Your edits do not seem to have consensus so more talk is required. First, we should start by establishing what, if anything, is the problem(s). We can then explore improvements which will address these. My impression is that we have three issues:

1. The article is too long at 70K. Per our editing policy, we might consider splitting it further.
2. There are too few sources - less than the number of characters. I have just added a couple of good citations and I'd expect there to be lots more out there. Reference to these will inform our efforts.
3. There seems to be insufficient consideration of translation issues. In my experience, there's lots of wordplay in the French-language original texts and this is difficult to translate directly. We should try to clarify which text we are referring to and bring out any differences in the various editions.

Colonel Warden (talk) 16:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

His edits have plenty of consensus per Wikipedia guidelines and policies. The clean up also stayed in place for two weeks before a single editor reverted it, and as this is a well watched article, that would indicate silent approval of the edits. There is absolutely no valid reason to keep such a massive amount of unsourced OR and plot summary in this list. Claiming that restoring the edits has anything to do with WP:PRESERVE is frankly BS. WP:PRESERVE does not declare that no content should ever be removed from articles. Nor should this list be split at all. It needs clean up, which was already done in an appropriate fashion. The only thing I would agree with is that it is still sadly lacking in reliable sources (not just any sources). However, before it can be sourced, clean up is necessary, which started with removing the excessive non-free images, and now has moved to actually cleaning up the excessive plot and OR, per actual applicable Wikipedia guidelines and policies, not a misapplied one. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Silence may simply mean that editors are on leave, as I have been. Mezigue did not discuss his bold edits before making them and now that there is opposition from multiple editors, he should engage in discussion rather than edit warring per WP:BRD. My preference is to improve the article by adding sources, as I have done, and see where they lead us. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there is a need to discuss before making improvements when the problem is style, OR and off-topic stuff on an article like this one which is a list rather than something more structured. I did not edit war against "multiple editors" as you state - I only reverted Marktreut's block reversion of everything I did twice, and frankly this is because Marktreut has a long habit of doing this sort of thing and in my experience plain refuses to listen to anyone and simply rejects Wikipedia's guidelines. Regardless of your preferences, adding sources is certainly helpful when an article is lacking in sources, however when an article about characters is full of rambling retelling of plotlines and wonky grammar, the solution is to trim and copy-edit, not add sources. Mezigue (talk) 20:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)