Talk:Justice (Guilty Gear)

Justice was not "technically the first Gear ever created". She certainly was the first Gear 'manufactured', but not created. That was Sol-Badguy/Frederick. Therefore, there were 2 notable exceptions to the statement that all Gears ceased to function after Justice was sealed away: they were Sol and Testament. Moreover, after she was finally killed in GG The Missing Link, the third exception became Dizzy. -RTL 22 May 2005 (GMT)

.... I knew that! ;) Yar Kramer 21:25, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

(Ack, so I respond half a month later...) Okay, well, in that case, I'll just edit that out of the Background section. -RTL 11 June 2005 (UTC)

Very Cheap Boss

I added the fact that Justice was indeed the cheapest boss ever plus I made a citation proving this point. There are bosses just as cheap as Justice, Gill being one of them, and Igniz being a very hard SNK Boss. — Vesther 01:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Hmm ... yeah ... Still, not that I want to contest that Justice is very cheap, but I think that (a) the link you gave isn't exactly very neutral or accurate, and (b) "cheapness" is entirely subjective. So! Modifying a bit. --Yar Kramer 02:17, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Justice's Gender

Do we actually know concretely that Justice is female? The assumption is made from Dizzy's reference to Justice as "mother" in Side Black, but we're dealing with abnormal circumstances and thus could easily be a simplified way to refer to Justice as her source of conception. Justice could very well be androgynous, and since Gears aren't human and Guilty Gear is a ficticious science fiction universe, being purely female doesn't necessarily have to be a requirement to hold the same relationship.

But like I've said before I've never seen Side Black and am going soley by other people's summations of it. For all I know there might actually be evidence in Side Black pointing to Justice being genotypically (or at least phenotypically) female but I haven't heard about it. – Kuuenbu 05:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

There is a major problem with people who have never seen Side Black misquoting it and saying Justice is refered to as "a mother". I've heard it myself and this isn't true. Dizzy is refered to as "a daughter". This reveals nothing about Justice's gender, if it has one. It is also the only evidence I have ever heard that supports Justice being female. I think most people would agree that one incorrect quote is not enough to have an entire article refer to Jutice as female. The fact is, Justice had a male voice in it's only canonical appearence (The Missing Link), and also has a very lage... phalice. If anything most evidence suggest Justice is male, and in Japanese it is always nueter. I feel the page should be changed to refer to Justice in a nuetral manner until there is solid evidence that itis one gender or the other. A lack of evidence that it is one gender doesn't prove it is another gender with even less evidence. -SFM, Feb 07.

This matter is already settled per Kazue Fujita's comments (see below). JuJube 22:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no mention of anyone named Kazue Fujita on this page. Also, nothing seems "settled" by the "we dont know it's male, so it must be female" theory. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.30.143.16 (talk) 03:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Kazue Fujita is the voice actress for Dizzy. JuJube 03:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Well ... I honestly have never seen any information that contradicts Justice being female, so in an absolute vacuum of other information, I'd prefer to go by the theory that requires the least number of unsupported assumptions and say "mother = female." Simple, no? --Yar Kramer 06:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I was just thinking that but wasn't able to put it into a consise, typeable form. – Kuuenbu 22:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, correction to my previous -- in some American sources, Justice is referred to as male, but in the Japanese versions she was referred to using gender-neutral pronouns; apparently, in Japan, gender-neutral "robots" (yes, I know that's just armor, but still) are seen as "feminine", as opposed to Western gender-neutral robots being depicted as "masculine". Another example of this is the robot Thursday in Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, who has a male voice actor in the English dub but a female voice actor in the Japanese version! --Yar Kramer 22:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

ATTENTION: Danny Lilithborne: Until conclusive evidence proves Justice to be one gender or the other, no information regarding his/her sex will be put in the article. Please discuss it here. And please don't discount the drama CDs in favor of the manual of the first game in english. Both sources are equally fallible, and if anything, it could be a lack of communication to the translation staff. Just look at Capcom. The Japan branch wouldn't tell the US branch ANYTHING for the longest time. If I remember correctly, they didn't even know whether the Akuma rumor was true at first. Digital Watches 06:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Um ... DW, ... First of all, how are "both sources equally fallible"? Second of all, it wasn't Danny Lilithborne didn't put that damn-near-vandalism "NO JUSTICE IS MALE" bit, it was an anonymous IP. Frankly, I think it's rather clear-cut that Justice is female. --Yar Kramer 16:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh man. I must be really out of it. I was reading the history wrong. My apologies to Danny Lilithborne. And yeah, I'd agree that it's a fairly indisputable fact, but a revert war is no good. Digital Watches 19:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, it's cool (from my end, anyway). And anyway, it'd just be one revert. --Yar Kramer 03:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

According to the Storyline FAQ at GameFAQs, Dizzy's seiyuu has said that Justice is indeed female. American-printed instruction books are wrong. But apparently I missed the boat on this - too bad ;) Danny Lilithborne 09:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

People keep bringing up the "phallus". How does that prove anything? It's a robotic suit. JuJube 22:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Armor???

I still find all those talks about Justice being female stupid, but... why do people also keep saying that "her" outer "plating" is just a suit of armor? Where was this mentioned? As far as I can tell, Justice is just one big biomechanical being. If Justice was some cute chick in a scary robotic armor, dont you guys think it would have been revealed already? Especially since Justice only had one canonical appearance before dying?? Besides, the cut-scene introducing Justice in GG shows a closeup of "her" face showing two very organic, and definately non-human eyes embedded into the facial plating. That's not a mask, people... and if it is, then the face hiding behind sure isn't human. Beside, she'd have to be quite the huge lady to be able to fit into such an armor. (or very tiny, if you want to treat her as piloting her super wang-equipped death mecha from the inside)

Besides, not all gears have to look human. As far as I know, only Sol and Dizzy do. (and maybe that one guy from the manga, if that thing is canon... ) Testament is half gear, and all the others we see look like beasts or zombies...

This article reeks of fanwanking, the worst kind of Original Research possible. Some voice actress saying Justice iz Dizzy's mother, especially in such a language as nuanced and hard to directly translate as Japanese, doesn't make Justice a lady, people. It's probably more of a metaphor than anything else, (like... take some DNA from Sol, add some from Justice and voila! Instant Dizzy!) and as long as I don't hear Daisuke himself say something like "Justice is a WOMAN in a suit", I will consider this whole article BS.

--Dez26 19:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection.

Why haven't we semi-protected this page yet? There's a lot of obvious vandalism and a great deal of it is from anonymous users. -- Digital Watches

Because we (i.e. me) don't know how ... --Yar Kramer 16:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection -- Digital Watches 19:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Hmm ... well, you would appear to be right. —Yar Kramer 02:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Er. Oops.

For anyone watching the Justice page: I didn't see that that last edit said "Special Colors" until I had RV'd it. I still think it's untrue or OR, but my reasoning stated in the edit comment was incorrect. -- Digital Watches 08:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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