Wikipedia:WikiProject Rocks and minerals/Taxobox discussion

For starters...[edit]

... i have a few comments on the proposed taxobox...

The mineral box seems very complete and comprehensive. Nice work!
The rock box cannot follow the same principles, because rocks dont have the same properties. I propose for the rock box:
- Name (obvious)
- Type (metamorphic/igneous/sedimentary)
- Tectonic environment
- Economic use
Now the problem begins because the parameters change with the type.
- Metamorphic rock: metamorphic facies, metamorphic series, general PT conditions, ...
- Igneous rock: occurrence, texture, chemical composition
- Sedimentary rock: dertritic vs carbonate, etc (my sedimentology is lousy...)

To do this in the proper way probably will imply a lot of work in related articles. The whole geology section is a mess. I, for myself, dont feel the energy to do it quickly and efficiently because i already think about geology most for the day. Muriel 15:30, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Varieties[edit]

I personally dont think a good idea to place the varieties in the box, because it will, in same cases, become too big. Muriel 15:33, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm glad we have you on board! I'm much more familiar with the classification of minerals, so that's where I'll likely be focusing my efforts. I've went ahead and created sodalite with the new facto/infobox. I included "Major varieties" within it; but this wasn't really an issue here, as there's only one to mention.

I think I'll also make crystal system a pipe link to crystal structure in the table (but also make it a redirect), as it appears the systems (all seven!) are described there. Excellent diagrams by Mav, too. At some point I'll have to work on fusibility and streak.

Does anyone know if it's possible to completely eliminate the white space within the sodalite picture's table? I've only been able to minimize it. Hadal 20:01, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Moreover, putting vareties in the box will mean either an article for each variety, or a description. For something like Rock crystal, it's pretty redundant to have it's own article, but somewhere it needs to say it's just clear quartz. Either way, it ends up hugh, or having to be repeated elsewhere - neither is a good thing from my point of view. Syntax 23:43, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

From the sample one on Quatrz:

Refractive index 1.544-1.553 - DR +0.009 (B-G interval)

Now, it's fair to say I'm skilled beyond the average in such matters but I don't know what all the annotation after the number is, nor is it defined in the linked article on refractice index. (I'm guessing that B-G interval is blue-green interval, DR I can't place). I suspect that's a relatively standard format for such things in minerological circles, and so it aught to be explained somewhere.

As an aside, I whipped up a list from the List_of_minerals. There's a lot to go through... Syntax 02:54, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

As I'm the one who filled out the sample table, I suppose I should answer you (I didn't see the question until now; there'd been no discussion here for so long that I've been forgetting to check :\). Anyway, DR is short for double refraction, a synonym of birefringence. And you're right, B-G stands for blue-green (it's important to note, as there are other intervals used). The + indicates a positive optic sign. Quartz is also uniaxial (optic interference figure), but so are all minerals in the tetragonal, hexagonal and trigonal systems.. so whether it's prudent to mention that, I don't know.

If you think there's a possibility of confusion, we could change "DR" to "Biref." Also, we may want to consider breaking up the "General" section into two sections:

Optical properties, including colour, transparency, lustre, RI, DR, pleochroism, luminescence, etc..
Physical properties, including hardness, streak, cleavage, fracture, fusibility, solubility, etc.

And as a final note, the RI numbers I've been using are all measured using monochromatic sodium light, wavelength 589 nanometres. This appears to be standard in both gemmology and mineralogy, but mention should probably be made somewhere, eh? Hadal 08:55, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I think that the best place for that data would be in the article on refractive index. It's already linked, and it seems intuative that explanation of the terms in the both would be under the article on that heading. I don't think that DR or Biref is much better than the other - in that both require explanation somewhere. If that's the standard form of the description, it's best to stick to that and explain it. Syntax 16:14, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Browser problems with taxobox[edit]

Both Opera and IE have problems with images beside or forced right below the taxobox. See Talk:Sodalite for details. -Vsmith 01:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Proposed infobox[edit]

On w:es there's been some discussion about creating an infobox roughly similar in structure to that used for tree of life articles. The slightly more difficult usage may be compensated by ease of fragmentation (that is, the possibility of using only some sections of the box, in case others are unknown or irrelevant). The global structure would be approximately

<!-- Header -->
{{Geobox begin | color = | name = }}          – name, and colour to distinguish
                                              igneous/sedimentary/metamorphic;

<!-- Image -->
{{Geobox image | image = | caption = }}       – image & caption

<!-- Classification -->
{{Geoobox begin general | color = }}          – classification section
{{Geobox category entry |  }}                 – mineral, igneous, sedimentary, etc.
{{Geobox subcategory entry |  }}              – intrusive, volcanic, clastic, hydrothermal, etc.
{{Geobox classification entry |  }}           – mafic, felsic, etc.
{{Geobox end general}} 

<!-- Chemical composition -->
{{Geobox composition | color = | formula = }} – Chemical composition

<!-- Physical properties -->
{{Geoobox begin identification | color = }}   – physical properties section
{{Geobox color entry |  }}                    – color
{{Geobox luster entry |  }}                   – luster
{{Geobox streak entry |  }}                   – streak
{{Geobox habit entry |  }}                    – crystalline habit
{{Geobox system entry |  }}                   – crystalline system
{{Geobox hardness entry |  }}                 – hardeness
{{Geobox cleavage entry |  }}                 – cleavage
{{Geobox fracture entry |  }}                 – fracture
{{Geobox specific gravity entry |  }}         – specific gravity
{{Geobox melting entry |  }}                  – melting point
{{Geobox solubility entry |  }}               – solubility
{{Geobox magnetism entry |  }}                – magnetism
{{Geobox radioactivity entry |  }}            – radioactivity
{{Geobox end identification}}

<!-- Optical properties -->
{{Geobox begin optics | color = }}
{{Geobox index entry | }}                     – refraction index
{{Geobox birefringence entry | }}             – birefringence
{{Geobox pleochroism entry | }}               – pleochroism
{{Geobox orientation entry | }}               – optical orientation
{{Geobox angle entry | }}                     – optical axis angle
{{Taxobox end optics}}

<!-- Varieties -->
{{Geobox section varieties | color = | varieties = }} &ndah; Varieties, if any;

{{Geoobox end}}

Any ideas? It'd be great if a common scheme could be adopted simultaneously by all (or at least several) wikis, so that copy-and-pasting infoboxes would be easier (all it would take is to tailor identically-named templates to each specific language, and a little adjustmente in parameters to have a working translation). Taragui 10:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

new infobox for minerals[edit]

I've just created the template {{infobox mineral}} for articles on minerals. It kinda sucks, so anyone is welcome to improve it. :) --Ixfd64 00:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox mineral[edit]

Comment/help is welcome and thanks to user:Ixfd64 for starting this. I'm not an expert of rocks and minerals, but I can help with the wiki-technical details (I'm a software geek :-). I think a template to replace things like the hardwired box on Xenotime would be good. I've started to convert a couple of these boxes to use CSS class="infobox" (which is defined in MediaWiki:Common.css), but a template would be much better (encapsulates future changes in a single place). --Ligulem 20:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Color[edit]

I have looked through both Wikiprojects, Gemology and Jewelry; Rock and Minerals, and have found no consensus for a specific color for the infoboxes. At this point the large majority of Mineral articles that have infoboxes use the default ?lilac? purple. At the same time the Gem articles are rather sporadic and seem to follow the color of the Gem in question. I would suggest having a discussion regarding a specific color for all mineral articles, but seeing as how the R&M group is not very active, I think I'm about the only one that is doing anything, It is probably best for the G&J project to take the initiative for standardization. In the interim I shall change alternate color boxes back to default in preparation for an end result. (also cross posted to both projects talk pages --Kevmin 22:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]