Talk:Q

2006 thread

Why not leave the explications of the Q as symbol here? A disambiguation page is for something else. -- User:Docu

I suggest we keep the disambiguation page, but also include the various uses of the letter here, consistent with the other letters. Afterall, the disambiguation page isn't really necessarily ment to be read. -- User:Docu

Does anyone know why Q is always followed by U? Whose idea was it?

Seriously, what's up with that?Cameron Nedland 01:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The Romans came up with that one ni ez naiz aldatuko 01:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

And it is not always followed by U, see Iraq, Iraqi (i.e. Arabic place names [etc.] may retain Q from Latin transliteration to English spelling.) ni ez naiz aldatuko 01:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe the Romans actually put a V after the Q, arguably representing the union of male and female pudenda (see also quim). Clearly I wasn't sufficiently close by to speak with any authority on this point, and an hypothesis involving some Egyptianesque or post-Egyptian god and his/her concomitant worship is equally irresistible (see Qaw or qoph? below). Perhaps they were put together because, if left to nature, they were found to keep avoiding each other's company (as in Iraq and Al Qaeda).

V was the Roman for both "u" and "v". "Qu" combo was taken from the French language, and was actually written as "cw" in Anglo-Saxon English, before the langauage was influenced by French. As a side note, I personally think English should scrap the letter Q, and its "qu" combination, all together. We have a prefectly adequate C that we can use. Queen - Cween, Quick - Cwick. Looks a lot better to me, looks more English to me! SKC

I'll just a leave a reply here since I like this nice piece: "cw" vs "qu". 81.89.66.133 (talk) 06:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

"Spelling" of Q

Its name in English is cue, occasionally spelled cu.

WHAT? I have never experienced this in my life, as a native English speaker and self-proclaimed "Count of Correctness Affairs™". But seriously, this is not even in my dictionary. I would never recognize "cue" to mean the letter Q, I would think it meant a pool cue, or that it was a misspelling of queue. And "cu" ? I have nothing more to say about this, I think this needs a citation.ni ez naiz aldatuko 01:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I have found the meaning of "cue" as the letter q in several dictionaries, so I presume it is correct. Of course, the spelling of the letter using the word for the letter is so rare that people don't always recognize it. I am doubtful of the spelling "cu" however; I could not find this in any dictionary I have (and it's not even in the Scrabble word list!) SCHZMO ✍ 02:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

"cue" is unambiguously pronounced /kju/, the same as the name of Q. That's the standard spelling I've always seen (in Washington/California). "cu" looks like /ku/ to me, and I have never seen it in reference to Q. British/American dialects also come into play, in that words like "coupon" that are pronounced /kju/ in Britian are pronounced /ku/ in America. So perhaps "cu" is recognizable to those who say /kjupan/. Notice "barbecue" <-> "bar-b-q". But the recognition is mainly one-way. Just the word "cue" alone would not necessarily connote Q unless the context was letters. Sluggoster (talk) 21:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The OED goes into detail about the various spellings: "cu", "q", "qu", "que", "kue", "kewe", and "cue". All except "cue" are long obsolete, and I'll change the article to reflect that. --Milkbreath (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sluggoster, "cue" pronounced phonetically would be "kweh". Still, I'll accept that's how Q is spelt. Mnealon (talk) 13:36, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Really, it’s the pronunciation of q, a letter cannot be spelled. Ma nam is geoffrey (talk) 12:09, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Concerning the pronunciation of q and the spelling of the word queue

I find it very disturbing that many English speakers believe the 'regular' pronunciation of the letter q is [kw]. Could anyone enlighten me as to how anyone can make stupid assumptions like that.

Also, I find the fact that, the word queue [kju:] is spelt so, very odd. How could it have ever come about? I know that the vowel shifts (particularly the GVS) wrecked the English language but I didn't realise that they did that much damage.

The reason that it is considered the "regular" pronounciation is because that is how it is pronounced in English - in the same way that a speaker of Maltese would consider the "regular" pronounciation of the letter "q" to be [ʔ] (a glottal stop). I don't think it's stupid, just naive. Mo-Al 01:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, [kw] is the regular pronunciation of the digraph qu, not of the letter q, even in English. In no language that I have heard of is q by itself pronounced [kw]. --platypeanArchcow 01:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this. Q on its own is [k] 76.157.162.44 (talk) 02:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

"queue" is a French loan word, meaning "tail".

and the French spelling is parsed like so: qu-eu-e = /k/-/ø/-(silent). In English, the /ø/ became assimilated as /ju/. --platypeanArchcow 01:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not "stupid". It's just the fact that kids are taught that Q occurs only before U and is pronounced /kw/. This is true for all Anglo-Saxon words, which are the most-used words in the language. The exceptions come from French, Spanish, or languages with non-Latin alphabets (Arabic, Chinese). People are so used to saying /kw/ that they unconsciously say it before unfamiliar words containing Q + vowel, or /kwə/ before Q + consonant. Sluggoster (talk) 21:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You won't find Q not followed by U in Spanish. --LjL (talk) 20:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Not prononuced /kw/ though. Sluggoster (talk) 21:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

It would be nice if one of you oh so knowledgeable pedantic elitists would actually explain the right answer, instead of just claiming that others are wrong for the answers they give. I've never seen a q not followed by a u in my langauge, I don't know what it would sound like. I'm not unintelligent, noncreative, or imperceptive, it's just literally never been relevant to my life until this moment. I would argue that learning and professing useless information as proper is more naive than taking a practical approach to life. Are you naive for not understanding the nuances of computer architecture that you've never directly interfaced with? No, even though you rely on it way more than I rely on this particular understanding of English. So how about you guys stop being jerks and start actually trying to spread information, if you're so concerned with the truth? What does 'q' sound like then?

The Slash of the Q

Could someone tell me the name of the slash of the upper case "Q" ? 65.190.135.130 01:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)Maria

Not with ultimate authority, but in view of my recent 'qoph' point below [1], 'tail' springs inevitably to mind, does it not? As do 'ray,' 'light,' 'heat,' 'energy,' 'love,' 'praise/prayer/worship,' and 'neck' in the circumstances(?). Does anyone else concern themselves with such details? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.250.216 (talk) 15:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Henry. --194.98.58.121 (talk) 12:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Scottish surnames?

Where does the "qu" come from in names like "Farquhar" and "Colquhoun"? --platypeanArchcow 01:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

A Normanesque anglicisation of the original Gaelic, e.g., Farrcar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.250.215 (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Sign Language

I think that we should put in a picture of the letter Q in Sign Language, does anybdoy agree with me?--67.174.128.249

That suggestion seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

HAHA!!! ↑ That is funny as ya like!!! HAHA!!! Nice one. SKC

I think it's been done now. Keith Galveston (talk) 00:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Qaw or qoph?

According to Roy Feinson ('The Secret Universe of Names'), 'In the Semitic languages, the letter Q is called qoph (monkey).' Also, I can find no support for the 'qaw (cord of wool)' hypothesis in the Egyptian hieroglyphs entry, which rather seems to link Q, if anything, to the sun and q to 'god.'

Meanwhile, a connection to Latin caput, 'head,' seems irresistible(?). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.250.216 (talk) 15:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

The Egyptians had represented the sound /q/ with but the Semites chose an entirely different glyph to represent this same sound, and it is conjectured by those who have studied Middle Bronze Age alphabets that the hieroglyph that became q was (cord) or something similar, and was chosen because of a Semitic word for cord that started with this sound, qaw. Of course, the name has become Qoph or something similar in the modern Semitic languages. Anyway, we have to stick to sources and not engage in our own speculations here. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 16:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Without wishing to 'engage in our own speculations here,' a blind participant can see that altho 'the Semites chose an entirely different glyph to represent this same sound,' the glyphs they used distinctly resembled distinctly different Egyptian hieroglyphs, as one might perhaps expect given the difference of language; namely,

'sun' and

'god.' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.250.216 (talk) 16:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

I don't have it infront of me but my recollection is that teh random house dictionary's history of the letter Q at the beginning fo that section, traced it to the eqyptian for monkey. Though my personal intrest lies only in continuing to share the triviq that teh letter Q is an image of a monkey's ass.

Why it is rare

Yes, Q is a rare letter, but I don't think you can say it is rare just because it needs to go with a u most of the time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.75.180.31 (talk) 17:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

The letter "Q" is indeed, quite rare. In fact, it only comes up (on a Q search in Google.com) only 993,000,000 times. One more thing, the online community seems to be starting to incorporate the letter Q into their vocabulary. (I hope I don't get bashed for entering this in...) There are such diverse words like "Fuq", "Qrap", and any others that use a 'K--' sound. Most of these are to prevent themselves of getting booted/banned from servers during online video games that use an automated language service. (First, you get warned. Then, you get booted. Finally, you use the alphabet in ways it probably shouldn't be used...) Oneevilchef 19:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

It's rare because it occurs less commonly in English text than any letter except Z. That's why it's placed in the far corner of the keyboard. The U requirement is a large part of that, plus the fact that C and K are the preferred forms for /k/, and there's no other need for Q. Sluggoster (talk) 21:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Q in Chinese words

In Pinyin, why does "Q" make a ch sound? This violates the English language, for "Q" is supposed to make a k sound. Would it not be more correct to spell "Qin" as "Chin"?--71.108.53.234 23:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Because <ch> is already in use for /t͡ʂʰ/ 66.87.124.184 (talk) 20:19, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't violate the English language, because it is not. It is romanized Mandarin. Different languages use the same letter to represent different sound, just as why French use "ch" to represent [ʃ] rather than [tʃ] as in English. In Albanian, it represents the voiceless palatal plosive, which I guess would sound pretty much alike to "ch" in English. And also, Mandarin "q" is not identical to English "ch", and pinyin already has a "ch", which stands for the retroflex sound.

In my personal opinion, I'd agree it is unfortunate that they should choose such a counterintuitive spelling convention: in most other writing/transliteration systems "q" represents a velar or uvular sound. If I were to create a romanization system I would'nt use that symbol at all. Still, it hard to say if one romanization system is "more correct" than the other: the present system has the advantage of clearly distinguishing all the consonants. This is how I understand this matter. For more information, you can check out the article pinyin. Keith Galveston (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The Chinese government chose it. It also commandeered C, J, R, X, Z, and ZH for sounds different than the usual Latin assignments. The problem is that English speakers don't know what these rules are or even that they exist. We assume they're pronounced in the normal Latin manner because that's what transliterations are supposed to be. We're use to CH as /ʃ/ in Chicago. The Vietnamese alphabet is based on Portuguese, so Thu and Ghi and Ng do what you expect. We can't do Vietnamese tone diatrics, but our intuitive pronunciation is in the ballpark. Pinyin violated these conventions in order to stick to English letters which are universal on keyboards and fonts. I don't see why English can't respell these words to match our conventions. Turkish and Hungarian have native Latin alphabets so there's a reason to stick to their spelling, plus their assignments are close to the Latin standards. Pinyin is not the everyday Chinese alphabet, and the Pinyin assignments violate both Latin conventions and linguists' usage (which gave us Q in Tariq). So I don't see why we can't respell assimilated Chinese words like we do for Russian. Sluggoster (talk) 21:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

It was necessary to have these irregularities in Pinyin. In Chinese there are more consonant sounds than there are in most other languages. There is a whole spectrum of sounds from j-ch-ts that simply don't fit in a Latin alphabet. Q sounds like ch to non Chinese speakers but to Chinese speakers they are distinct consonants. Zh and j sound similar too but are distinct. As with x and sh or z and c. Mnealon (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

What was wrong with my edit?

Not everyone can read pronouncion accents. It's no trouble at all, I just am curious about what's wrong with my previous edit. 82.148.70.2 (talk) 12:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I nominate the letter Q for speedy deletion

Most useless letter ever. Alloverme (talk) 09:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

You cannot nominate the letter Q for speedy deletion because it is one of the letters of the alphabet and it is very important. CPGirlAJ (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

And you are hereby banished forever from the Q-Continuum" 173.209.109.16 (talk) 06:39, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism in History?

I don't know what to make of this: It was Q that created the world. His single mind is what binds everything in the world together (similar to the Jedi religeon, two branches of the same tree) Shan't we delete this?

But I like the idea that the Star Trek "Q" (where this might come from) is responsible for a "vandalism in history" : ) --Dtschenz (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Explanation of Pinyin Pronunciation

In Chinese Hanyu Pinyin, 'q' is used to represent the sound [tɕʰ], which is close to English 'ch' in "cheese",
but pronounced further toward the front of the mouth.

Isn't [tɕʰ] alveolo-palatal? The article on alveolo-palatal consonants describe them as palatalized palato-alveolars, and English 'ch' or [tʃʰ] is a palato-alveolar. Palatalizing it would make it go further back in the mouth, wouldn't it? 76.18.160.47 (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Your tongue should almost touch the back of your front teeth for q. It's a lighter ch sound, like a cross between tsh and ch. For ch your tongue should be further back like in "church". Mnealon (talk) 13:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Useless fact

What is the point of this statement: "It is the only letter not included in the name of any US state"? This is so very stupid and ridiculous, it makes me want to never read Wikipedia again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.235.187 (talk) 04:22, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it's no use, I'm deleting it. No encyclopedia I've seen would dump little trivia around like that. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 18:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Moreover, it's a "WP:OR" if not supplemented with a ref'. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 06:40, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Phonemic and phonetic values

To do:

• Salishan languages, Greenlandic? languages, Arabic.
• distinguish phonemic values from phonetic values

77.179.17.231 (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

ʒ

There being nothing I can find about the use of Q as /ʒ] in some "International Latin Alphabet" (apart from Tobias Conradi's invention, see [2]), I am deleting that from the table. -- Evertype·✆ 20:51, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Q slash on the left

In the English town of Penrith in Cumbria there are a few old possibly 19th century street signs where the slash or tail on the letter Q on the left rather than the more conventional right was this a common practice of the time if it was then maybe it should be added to the article but I suspect it may be a mistake by the possibly not very well educated sign makers. Penrithguy (talk) 13:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Fijian "Q"

I believe there to be an error in the table, based on Fijian language#Orthography. However, since this page─ like most letters of the alphabet─ is protected, I cannot edit it. currently it says that ⟨Q⟩ in Fijian is used for the phoneme "/ⁿg/", that is g with a nasal release (and linking to the latter article) but based on the corresponding section of the table in the "Οrthοgraphy" seϲtiοn of the article οn Fijian, and what seems to make more sense here, I believe it is actually used to represent the prenasalised stop /ᵑɡ/. Even though this is a relatively minor change, only correcting an easy-to-make transcription error so it links to the appropriate article, I am not allowed to make it because I currently cannot edit this article.

Could somebody please change this for me? Thank you very much.

Sincerely, A fellow Wikipedian (2600:6C44:237F:ACCB:10D1:BD3:D4DB:B978 (talk) 23:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC))

• Corrected. Burzuchius (talk) 09:15, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Needs a cursive "Q"

The article needs a cursive "Q" - not the Americanized "q", but the calligraphic "Q". Quick hint: I am referring to the variant of capital "Q" that looks like a digit "2". 81.89.66.133 (talk) 06:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Clarification

"⟨q⟩ has a wide variety of other pronunciations in some European languages and in non-European languages that have adopted the Latin alphabet." Which pronounciations are you talking about? As far as I know, I'm an English speaker and I know a little Spanish and Q sounds the same in both languages. Q sounds the same in Spanish, French, then Italian, etc. Then there are languages that don't use the same script as English does? Without evidence, I don't know weather that claim is correct or not. 76.157.162.44 (talk) 02:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)