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Textile means any product made of textile fibers. This includes raw fibers, yarns, and woven, non-woven, and knit cloth. Textile should not be merged with cloth because "textile" is a more inclusive term than "cloth".

The first line reads:

A textile is any kind of woven cloth, or a cloth made of fibres that have been bonded into a fabric without weaving. eg. felt. ???

I will update this somewhat. Some of the types of cloth are not necessary. An entry for geotextiles would be useful. Jackiespeel 18:21, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Textile is also a kind of ReStructured_Text http://textism.com/tools/textile/

What - no mention of stuff? nor how it is of the same root as the German stoff? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.36.42 (talk) 20:38, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Textile, cloth and fabric[edit]

I was trying to understand the difference between cloth and textile. Just by looking at the Webster's definition, it seems that cloth is more inclusive and includes all woven and non-woven fabric, while textile is only woven fabric. If I am wrong about this, and there is no distiction between cloth and fabric, then they should be combined into to one article. ike9898 02:18, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and while we're at it, how does fabric fit into the sceme? ike9898 02:23, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)
Good point. Fabric disambiguates to cloth which treats the two as the same. I don't think they are the same: I consider cloth to be a subset of both fabric (which might also include leather or PVC) and of textile (which might be stretched so far as to cover net). Noisy | Talk 11:33, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)


--- TEXTILE ARTIST--- I am a textile artist at California College of Arts & Crafts in SF/Oakland. Here in the Textile department, we have expanded the definition of Textiles, while maintaining the name (other schools now have "Fiber" departments instead), because it places us in the lineage of the Arts & Crafts movement, on which the school was founded. The word Textile comes from the latin "texere" : to weave. So yes, Textile literally means anything woven on a loom, but not necessarily fiber, it can be copper wire, monofilament, wood, branches, plastic tubes etc. However, at the textile department, we do not exclusively teach Weaving. The department consits of Weaving, Dying, Printing, Knitting, Crocheting, Felting, Twining (basketry), Plaiting, and sewing. In this context, textiles are defined as a flexible product that is comprised of multiple parts (usually fibers) that are interlaced in some way, OR a design that is applied to a textile, like printing and dying. Textile also refers to the fiber itself, so yarn is also called a textile.

FABRIC/CLOTH/TEXTILE:

SO if textiles can be all of the above, what are fabric and cloth? Fabric means to construct or make ie Fabricate... In my understanding, fabric is a material that is woven, knitted, crocheted, or felted (possibly dyed and/or printed as well), that is not usually understood as a finished piece in it's own right. Fabric is usually cut or sewn and used for some other application, like garment making or upholstery. Cloth and fabric are somewhat interchangeable, but cloth has certain uses that fabric doesn't. For example, as I mentioned above, Fabric is a material with potential to be made into something. Cloth can be used in this way, but it also commonly refers to a finished piece that has it's own use, like a Dish Cloth, loin cloth, or table cloth. Try to replace "cloth" with "fabric" in one of these couplets, and you'll understand the difference.

SUMMARY:

Textile most specifically refers to a piece constructed of multiple parts that interlace, usually fibers, that is flexible, has tensile strength, or a printed or dyed design like Shibori. Examples of Textiles that are NOT commonly refered to as fabric: Baskets, Mats, Tapestries, carpets.

Fabric usually refers to a material that is woven, knitted, crocheted, or felted, that implies another use like garment making, printing, dying, or upholstery.

Cloth is a more nuanced word for fabric that usually implies a complete finished piece, like table cloth. (This from 66.92.28.178 (talk · contribs))

Thanks for the clarification. That accords with my understanding as well. User:Noisy | Talk 00:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I know Wikipedia gets a bad rap for being inaccurate, but I usually find that it provides pretty accurate information. This article, however, is all wrong. While textiles are well known to refer to material, made out of fiber, that goes into clothing (fabric, or cloth), textiles can in fact refer to anything made from polymers. Polymers are long-chain molecules that do form fibers, but can have other uses as well. In this way would a plastic water bottle be considered a textile because it is made of Polyethylene Terephthalate or PET which is well-known as the polymer used in production of polyester. Films and gels made from polymers are also considered textiles. If I were to define these terms from the inclusive to the exclusive, I would list: Textile-any item made of polymers Fiber- long strands of polymers which are significantly longer than they are wide

Filament Fiber: long, continuous strand of fiber. All synthetic and manufactured fibers (nylon, polyester, rayon, aramids, olefins, acrylics) are created as filament fibers, and silk is also counted as a filament fiber.
Staple Fiber: short fibers, in which most natural fibers are included (wool, cotton, flax, but not silk). Filament fibers can be cut down into staple fibers, depending on the desired use.

Yarn-Fibers tightly twisted together for the purpose of weaving into a fabric, not to be confused with

Thread-fibers tightly twisted together for the purpose of joining two pieces of fabric

Fabric or cloth-interchangeable terms for things made of fibers or yarns. There are three types of fabrics:

Woven-made only of yarns which are interlaced in a pattern
Knit-yarns knotted together in a pattern
Non woven-made of yarns or fibers which are interlaced through tangling, by needle punching, air or water tangling, and other tangling methods

Sorry if I seem a little harsh, but I have had it drilled into my head for the last three years that textiles are so much more than fabrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginifur (talkcontribs) 02:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind my small adjustment to the formatting. I don't know anything about the subject but I think it looks better now without the blue box. Jodosma (talk) 23:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi as per my study and opinion ,fabric and cloth should be kept combined under one umbrella as they are now but textile stands for the entire textile field(including fibres,yarn,fabrics and garments also) i will suggest to correct the article separately.i am agreeing with cloth and fabric together.Cloth in general stands for history of clothing and evolution,animal skin ,felt then woven and knitted fabric etc. fabric is derived from fabrication for the purpose and pre-determined objective.Fabric may be of knitted,woven etc.Henceforth cloth and fabric together are more convincing but textile need separate editing.Rajiv Sharma (talk) 10:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)Thanks

Listiness[edit]

I think that this article could be improved by making it less "listy". The last 2/3 of the article is mostly lists. Let's make this into a real article.....ike9898 18:28, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Hello. Can someone check/edit the caption on the second illustration? I think the "right to left" order is reversed in the identification of the fabrics as shown. Thanks, Stu.

Possible merge[edit]

Currently there is an article named Textile manufacturing terminology which probably should have a list of different terms and their meanings. The article currently located there has good information, but is not the list that such a title suggests. Much of that info could probably be moved here, and a list of terms created at that page. If we don't move that article here, it should probably get renamed, but I can't think of something appropriate. Loggie July 1, 2005 17:33 (UTC)

I moved the old Textile manufacturing terminology to Textile manufacturing, but I still think some of that information might be useful here, if someone else would take a look. Loggie July 3, 2005 18:22 (UTC)
I think that some text on textile manufacturing does belong in this article, but the reason that I created the Textile manufacturing terminology article in the first place was because I thought it would eventually get very large and overwhelm the original Textile article. Given the state of the current article, that seems very likely.
As with all my projects, I started with something else (Industrial Revolution, in this case) and drifted onto something completely different. When I'm back on my home computer at the weekend, I'll try and refocus on this area. Noisy | Talk 18:29, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for re-organizing the article. It looks much, much better now. Loggie 01:00, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
I've been try to organise the stubs a bit. I think it generally goes Science|Applied Science|Materials Science|Textiles|* and obviously Engineering|Materials Science|... Kraiken 21:03 September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Organic textiles.[edit]

I'm new to this so appologies for doubles etc. And also for probably being in the wrong section.

That being said in ROMP Ltd I hold licence X0001 from the Soil Association in the UK for the production of Organic Leather and we are about to crack denim/cotton as well.

I would like to propose a definition of Organic Textiles for discussion and final submission to Ifoam.

An Organic textile is one where the husbandry of the Soil at Planting or Birth is Certified organic to the same Organic standard of the eventual product. All processes in the farming section are to that same standard with full separation until the raw material is presented to the Textile production stages. The raw material is then treated in a manufacturing system that is also Organically certified to the same standard and separate in all aspects until the textile is complete. This includes all physical and all chemical stages especially dye-ing. And finally an organic textile should contain an element in the final price which rewards the original producer fairly so that the Organic movement as a whole and the organic farmer specifically is rewarded directly for their status


To product a finished organic article from that textile to the original organic standard requires a certified factory and designer brand, and retailer.

At the moment 99% of the Organic Textile that I see gives up after raw material and introduces non-organic materials during the dye phase. They also promote cheap labour which appears to be counter productive to the imperative and pressing need to change. Hence we see Organic Cotton T shirts sold as such but printed and dyed with increased levels of Chromium based dyes and manufactured in the same factories and at the same appalling labour rates as is the norm today.

Of couse I am totally biased hence the need to open up the debate but would be very interested in logical and well thoughtout positions on where we are in the cycle and what is trully in the best interests of the planet.

Greg The Romp Project


textile leather[edit]

The expression "textile leather" is used increasingly. I have no idea what it means, supposedly a leather subtitute. I found no definition and also no systematic classification until now. If it is a special kind of fabric it would also be interesting to learn more about its properties or making.

Peter Loster

I found this definition: Textile leather: 11% cotton, 2% Polyurethan, 87% PVC

about listiness[edit]

all the processes in the textiles arctical have there own page ..and it is easy to load a page and then follow the links ..if you will merge the pages then users like me who do not have a good borwsing speed will suffer,

NO to merge[edit]

A textile, such as a crocheted or knitted piece, is not cloth. Textile artists work with FIBER, not necessarily with cloth. Zora 14:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

What about merging Cloth into Textile, then? Hajhouse 15:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Cloth is a particularly important form of textile and deserves its own article. Zora 23:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I oppose as well. However both articles require a major cleanup and a clear separation of "responsibilities". In particular textile/cloth/fabric term usage must be clearly described. mikka (t) 23:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

No to merging period. The technical distinction is clear, why is something used to make cloths being confused with industrial textiles which make conveyor belts, automotive fan belts, tires, etc.? I'm section editing looking for something else, but cloth <-->clothing is distinct from things like composite armor for Abrahms tanks and the like. If I can be of help, someone drop a note. FrankB 03:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Considering the elapsed time now that I can see it, shouldn't someone call a formal vote, or just remove the merge templates? FrankB 03:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Links pruned[edit]

I got rid of all but one link! All the rest were commercial, or dead, or so abstruse as not to be useful. A list of Italian textile names would be better off in an article on Renaissance clothing. Too limited for here.

I'm constantly appalled by people's willingless to exploit WP for a possible financial gain. Zora 17:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Where did the non-perpendicular weave go?[edit]

Some months ago, a came across a definition for a textile, that was woven but non-perpendicular. It seemed as if it were describing something other than non-woven. I have developed a new type of fabric with a new method of construction and was looking for the proper terminology to describe it.

WP:COTW votes[edit]

Textile (7 votes, stays until August 19)[edit]

Nominated July 29, 2006; needs at least 9 votes by August 19, 2006
Support
  1. Yvwv 19:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. Ynhockey (Talk) 20:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  3. Davodd 21:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  4. jwandersTalk 16:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  5. ike9898 18:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  6. Siddhant 14:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  7. Ellie041505 14:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Comments
  • A large topic with a miserable article. Most of the article consists of incomplete lists.


So... does someone usually coordinate these COTWs, or do we all just sort of fly at 'er? --jwandersTalk 05:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

To Be Done[edit]

Sorry if this annoys some people, but I always make this sort of list for articles that need a lot of work. Here's what needs to be done. Support, refute, or propose suggestions as needed.

  • Introductory Paragraph: Remember the huge argument over the definition of textile, fabric, and cloth? If not, read some of the comments above. One of them provided a comprehensive definition of each term that everyone seemed to agree with, which could be incorporated into the article.
  • Sources and Types/Treatments: These should be placed with the lists that they correspond to (which should not be lists.) Add Stainproofing info.
  • Uses: Surely the uses of textiles can be discussed in MORE than two sentences?
  • Lists: We should turn these into paragraphs. For the types of textile, we should state the different materials within each division (animal, plant, synthetic, etc.), what plant, animal, or petroleum product they are derived from, and what they are used for. For the processes involved in making textiles, we should give brief descriptions of each process (carding, spinning, weaving, etc.), and which processes are used for which types of textiles. Most of this information can be found in the articles for each type of textile or for each process.

Thanks. Ellie041505 13:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Breathable fabrics[edit]

There is almost nothing in the article about breathable fabrics, e.g. for garments, save for a tiny note on wicking of perspiration under ingeo. - Neparis (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Reassessment[edit]

Reassessed to the new C-class; this article still needs a lot of work. - PKM (talk) 18:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC) well this is very intresting stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.200.98 (talk) 14:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

textiles are used in many ways, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.27.229 (talk) 19:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

textile[edit]

Textile converts its marked-up text input to valid, well-formed XHTML and also inserts character entity references for apostrophes, opening and closing single and double quotation marks, ellipses and em dashes. Textile was originally implemented in PHP, but has been translated into other programming languages including Perl, Python, Ruby, ASP, Textile is distributed under a BSD-style license and is included with, or available as a plugin for, several content-management systems. Version 2.0 beta was released in 2004 as part of the Textpattern content management system.


http://en.wikipedia.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.96.17 (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Fashion and Textile Designer Inclusions[edit]

I have included Marisol Deluna yet her name continually gets removed.

Despite adding three references http://glo.msn.com/relationships/glos-latina-girl-crushes-6003.gallery?photoId=21361 GLO.msn.com, http://www.hyundaiusa.com/about-hyundai/diversity/common/assets/Hyundai_Adelante.pdf Hyundaiusa.com, http://www.nysartorialist.com/2010/05/housing-works-6th-annual-design-on-dime.html Nysartorialist.com (in addition to those found off and online) I was not aware that inclusions had to be household names, yet rather notables to the subject discussed. One of the terrific user benefits of Wikipedia is to inform. Why bother reading articles otherwise?

She is not as notable as the others listed, this is understood as she does not create designs in a traditional manner such as runway shows. Inclusions should not be based on this. She is known for her prints and my references reflect this as does this list of clients that have benefited from her print driven designs.

Removed promotional client list duplicated from Talk:Marisol Deluna

I am asking to have the edit of removal be reverted or perhaps put in a different category in which textiles can be used beyond traditional fashion designers- Especially for those seeking information on those who are not focused on mainstream textile or fashion designers. Thank you. ElizabethCB123 (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

You added her name to a list of designers that "can be easily recognized by their signature print driven designs.", so please demonstrate that she can, with a reliable sources that say she can. None of the links you provided did that. Mtking (edits) 21:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Point taken. However, I did not add her inclusion originally. Her name was removed and I replaced her. I will focus on her article and in time revisit this inclusion. Thank you! ElizabethCB123 (talk) 05:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Citation cleanup[edit]

Some explanation for changing the "Sources" section to "Further reading."

After finding no mention of the authors Good or Fisher in the article text, I searched the revision history to determine when these sources were added and what (if any) other content was added at the same time. Revision diffs for the additions of both the Nora Good and Irene Fisher sources show that only the source information was added.

Having also moved the Duplessis source to an inline citation, I removed the citation cleanup banner when I changed "Sources" to "Further reading." —Shelley V. Adams 03:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Rawhide (textile)[edit]

The name of the Rawhide (textile) article is in direct conflict with the introduction to this article. It would appear something needs to be changed.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Rawhide (disambiguation) redirects to Rawhide, which is in fact a disambiguation page. This needs admin attention to delete the redirect page, so the articles may be titled sensibly. Perhaps further discussion would be better kept at Talk:Rawhide (textile). __ Just plain Bill (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced box[edit]

The Wikitable showing the top ten exporters seems misplaced here. I think it belongs in History of textiles. If there are no objections I'll move it there in about a week. Jodosma (talk) 23:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I tried to move the table to a different part of this article without success, wherever you move it, it makes a mess so I'm leaving it now before I lose the will to live. Jodosma (talk) 00:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Definition of textile and yarn[edit]

The definitions in the opening paragraph of the article are very narrow in scope. For example, to characterize all textiles as "woven", is misleading, as it is misleading to define yarn without including the mention of fibers that rise from extrusion. Even if the whole article is to be rewritten, could some short term improvement of the first paragraph be done until then?Cobaltcanarycherry (talk) 03:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I do use "textile" exclusively for woven fabrics, well, I also call my felted pieces textiles, but they are made from textiles or yarns. I agree that extruded yarns are missing, and the article seems to say only natural fibres are used to produce yarn. Please do improve at least this part, the synethic fibres. Can we look into "textiles" more, though? --(AfadsBad (talk) 12:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC))

Respectfully, to indicate that all textiles are woven or felted is to exclude all knitted, crocheted, netted or braided textiles. I am particularly concerned by this exclusion as it appears that fabrics constituted by hand were developed previous to those that had to be loomed.Cobaltcanarycherry (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Blended fabric[edit]

Blended fabric redirects to here but does not end in any specific subtopic. It is not explained or defined. --Manorainjan 09:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Possible merge with Clothing material[edit]

I'm proposing merging Clothing material into this article. Clothing material has no references and the material discussed could easily be folded into Textile. Leschnei (talk) 22:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but remember that not all clothing materials are textile, and not all textiles are clothing material. The state of the clothing material article (awful) means that a redirect would improve the project, but adding anything from there to here would be a mistake. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 06:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
The proposal is for a merge not a redirect, which for the substantive reasons just mentioned would be an encyclopedic mistake. If the responses to it are being tallied, this is a NO. --Futhark|Talk 06:34, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
That is an excellent point, a redirect would solve things very nicely. Let's see if anyone else feels like expressing an opinion. Leschnei (talk) 12:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
While not all clothing materials are textiles-- the actual article (clothing materials) is some 99% about textiles. Merge the lead section of "Clothing materials" to become a sub-section of "Textile#Uses" and drop all other parts of "clothing materials". If one is so disposed, someone can also create a sub-section of "clothing to be about clothing materials. tahc chat 19:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Since there's clearly no consensus on this, I'll leave it as is and remove the merge templates. Perhaps adding material to Textile and Clothing, and converting Clothing material to a redirect (all suggested above-thanks) would be the best answer. Leschnei (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Woven roving[edit]

Wikipedia has no article on woven roving, which predates the invention of spread tow fabric. I have seen it as fibreglass textiles used in layup fabrication. Are there significant differences between the two? Just plain Bill (talk) 12:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

IMHO, not really, but then again I have no sources with which to help. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 12:15, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

poor citeation[edit]

Rajiv Please explain how this reference supports the text. Thanks. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 14:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Firstly it is not citeation, It is citation. The citation was required for Wool refers to the hair of the domestic sheep or goat, which is distinguished from other types of animal hair in that the individual strands are coated with scales and tightly crimped, and the wool as a whole is coated with a wax mixture known as lanolin (sometimes called wool grease), which is waterproof and dirtproof.
  • Roxy You deleted[[<ref>{{Cite book|last=‎Vatin Nikolai Ivanovich|first=Alexandr A. Berlin, ‎Roman Joswik|url=https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Engineering_Textiles/Mt6YCgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=lanolin++is+waterproof+and+dirtproof&pg=PA142&printsec=frontcover|title=Engineering Textiles|publisher=Apple Academic Press|year=2015|isbn=9781498706032|location=|pages=142}}</ref>]]
  • [1]][The text on Page 142---Wool, commonly used for warm clothing, refers to the hair of the domestic goat or sheep and it is coated with oil known as lanolin, which is water-proof and dirt-proof making a comfortable fabric for dresses, suits, and sweaters. Now you tell me why it is not supporting. RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 16:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
But Lanolin has no water proof or dirt proofing effect on wool garments, as it is all scoured out in processing. Lanolin in wool garments would make them more attractive to dirt not less. The citation does not support the text. for spelling, see here -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 17:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Roxy Do not manipulate and make out meanings of your interest. Who is asking about scoured wool? The text in the article is about Lanolin containing wool. READ IT AGAIN Wool refers to the hair of the domestic sheep or goat, which is distinguished from other types of animal hair in that the individual strands are coated with scales and tightly crimped, and the wool as a whole is coated with a wax mixture known as lanolin (sometimes called wool grease), which is waterproof and dirtproof. For spellings, I will clothe you, for now; otherwise, on Wikipedia, nothing is invisible, like you try to do from the talk pages after deleting the references and making other users demoralized.RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 17:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Roxy The reference is added to the content in the article. Not for your BUT.RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 18:26, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Roxy the citation actually does support the text, the section of the article the citation refers to are sources that textiles are made from, including wool, and does not refer to wool that has already been processed and woven, so it's possible that it may or may not contain lanolin. As you can see that section is a list of animal fibre sources. At any rate, a negligible amount of lanolin will still remain in the wool, even after it is woven. Coryphantha Talk 21:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Thankyou User: Coryphantha, for understanding the fact and restoring the citation/edit. I hope Roxy will realize and would not mind discussing on the talk page before reverting my edits. Best regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 01:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
You're very welcome. User: RAJIVVASUDEV.

Piecegoods/(piece goods)[edit]

Before the 18th century, textile goods were synonym with piece-goods because of certain limitations of resources and trading systems. We can not forget the role of Draper, cloth merchants and mercery. I have added a section in the subject article with the name piece goods. Kindly review and advise to elaborate. Thanks and regardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 02:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

In order to advise and elaborate I have decided that certain limitations of sources need to be lifted irrevocably and have removed it as adequately categorised without your WP:AGF contribution. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 06:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Roxy the dog Sir, Your recent edits are not acceptable, WP:NPA,WP:DE ,Wikipedia:Tendentious editingInformation is well sourced with reliable sources, you are repeatedly making personal attacks, and using false language wikipedia:RPA. This is not the first time you are engaging me and ultimately cause a block. Please WP: AGF avoid this and do not harm the project for your ego. Peace. Having any doubts please discuss them on the talk page and conclude. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 07:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Your edit summary for reverting is poor. Please note there is no single article that explains what these piece-goods were besides mentioning. Hence the topic deserves a section here. And readers must know what they were and why they were produced. Thanks and regardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 07:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia maintains an inclusion threshold of "verifiability, not truth." Hence you can not delete any info/RS. ThanksRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 07:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Please indent the messages as outlined in wp:THREAD and wp:INDENT — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 08:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
RegardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 08:56, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Respected Sir Rajiv, you already know I am an expert. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 09:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Haha, No sir, you are not, but you underrated yourself by considering yourself (as a self-appointed expert); you are high above the policies. you are allowed to use false language, can bite and allowed to override any Ps WP:5P.RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 09:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC).
And you can revert the content even with verifiable accuracy, citing reliable, authoritative sources. So you are more than an expert. RegardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 09:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

The section started out as a standalone article about piecegoods, defined as cloth sold in fixed lengths. This didn’t agree with the definition in the two definitions cited, which was cloth supplied in bolts and sold in lengths requested by the customer. The content of the article followed the unsupported definition, and was about cloth manufactured in small pieces. It implied that manufacture of piecegoods had ceased in the 19th century as a result of improvements in weaving technology, while citing a source discussing proposed tariffs on piecegoods in 1937.

Once the definition was changed to one supported by the cited sources pretty much all the content was irrelevant to it. The central premise of much of it, which was that manufacture of piecegoods had ceased as a result of changing technology, is clearly wrong, cloth is still supplied in bolts and sold in from them in lengths as required. As a result of this the article was redirected here, as an appropriate redirection for cloth sold by length. The article has now been copied and pasted to this article pretty much intact, and has now also been pasted to this talk page (is this really necessary, or even appropriate?).

The sourcing, as far as I can tell, is dubious in other ways. For example the source cited to support the sentence saying that the invention of Kay’s flying shuttle “led to wider width handloom woven fabrics” says nothing of the sort; it says that the flying shuttle speeded up the weaving process and enabled a broadcloth loom to be operated by a single weaver instead of two. Even if this could be sourced it’s not clear how an increase in width is relevant to the fortunes of cloth sold by length. This sort of incoherence is one of the reasons it was redirected, there just doesn’t seem to be a coherent article to be made here. It was mostly about changing manufacturing technology, not piecegoods.

It looks as if what RAJIVVASUDEV actually wants to write about is handlooming, and the effect on this of improved technology. It might be appropriate to have an article about this, from some of the sources I’ve seen cited it seems that handlooming is of cultural significance, and it has in the past been of economic significance, but the article would have to be carefully researched and adequately sourced. If RAJIVVASUDEV is to create such an article I suggest that it should start as a draft and only be moved to mainspace when ready. Brunton (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Piecegoods the section which is deleted ( For a glance)[edit]

Cloth Merchant's Shop, Brooklyn Museum, depicts an establishment in India.

Before the 18th century, a maximum of textiles were produced and traded in the form of piece-goods only. (Piece goods, yard goods) were the fabrics sold by length.[1] The term was commonly used in the cloth trade for a various specified length (pieces) of cloth rolls. It comprehends several qualities mostly cotton[2] such as calicos, long cloth, etc.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9]

Limitations[edit]

There were various reasons for producing and trading textiles in piece goods; some were the infrastructure, resources, and trading system of that time, which was not allowing to produce the cloth in larger roll sizes what machines are producing today.

Handlooms[edit]

In pre-industrialization, most textile materials were handspun and handwoven and produced on handlooms, and unlike today the goods were then made in smaller pieces. The dimensions (length and width) was varied with the size of looms, material, and weavers.[10][11][9]

The flying shuttle invention by John Kay in 1733 had led to wider width handloom woven fabrics. [12] However, improvements in spinning technology during the Industrial Revolution created cotton yarn of sufficient strength to be used in mechanized weaving. The limitations of the vertical length size of the cloths overcame with early developments in looms such as warp-weighted loom and powerlooms.[13][14]

Trade[edit]

Exports of piece-goods is recorded since the time of the Mughals.[15] And it continued until the 19th century. In 1878, textile piece goods were discussed substantially as an item of export and Import from various destinations of India.[16] Drapers[17] and Cloth merchants were trading different textile in the form of piece-goods.[18]

References

  1. ^ "Definition of PIECE GOODS". www.merriam-webster.com. Retrieved 2020-12-14.
  2. ^ Schmidt, Karl J. (2015-05-20). An Atlas and Survey of South Asian History. Routledge. p. 100. ISBN 978-1-317-47681-8.
  3. ^ "Definition of piece goods | Dictionary.com". www.dictionary.com. Retrieved 2020-12-14.
  4. ^ Banerjee, Debdas (1999). Colonialism in Action: Trade, Development, and Dependence in Late Colonial India. Orient Blackswan. p. 68. ISBN 978-81-250-1697-7.
  5. ^ Malani, K. P. Sipahi; Soni, Hans Raj (1936). Indian Economics: A General Survey of Indian Economic Problems. Nand Kishore. pp. 688, 689.
  6. ^ Alexander Murray, President; Fazal Ibrahim Rahimtoola, Member; Dewan Babadur, Member; A. Ramaswami Mudaliar, Member; Rai Bahadur, Member; H. Mookerjee, Technical Adviser; C. M. Ker, Secretary (1937). Special Tariff Board Written Evidence recorded during enquiry regarding the level of duties necessary to afford adequate protection to the Indian Cotton Textile Industry against Imports from the United Kingdom of cotton piecegoods and yarn, artificial silk fabrics and mixture fabrics of cotton and artificial silk. New Delhi, Manager of Publications. pp. 1, 2.
  7. ^ The Eastern Economist; a Weekly Review of Indian and International Economic Affairs. 1981. p. 183.
  8. ^ Chatterjee, Ruma (1987). "Cotton Handloom Manufactures of Bengal, 1870-1921". Economic and Political Weekly. 22 (25): 988–997. ISSN 0012-9976.
  9. ^ a b "The Survival Of Handloom Industy". UKEssays.com. Retrieved 2020-12-15.
  10. ^ "Inca Textiles". Ancient History Encyclopedia. Retrieved 2020-12-14.
  11. ^ Textile Trends. Eastland Publications. 1995. p. 43.
  12. ^ "HISTORY OF TECHNOLOGY". www.historyworld.net. Retrieved 2020-12-15.
  13. ^ Jenkins, D. T (2003-01-01). The Cambridge history of western textiles. Cambridge, U.K.; New York: Cambridge University Press. p. 13. ISBN 978-0521341073. OCLC 48475172.
  14. ^ Information, Reed Business (1977-06-16). New Scientist. Reed Business Information. p. 652.
  15. ^ MISHRA, K. P. (1987). "Textile Manufacture and the Company's Trade in late 18th Century North India". Proceedings of the Indian History Congress. 48: 451–460. ISSN 2249-1937.
  16. ^ Report on the Trade and Resources of the Central Provinces - ''The imports of uprefined sugar were excessive as compared with its export , and the explanation afforded is that stocks were allowed to accumulate until prices should ... Salt and Indian piece - goods are shown as being the chief exports .page10, 12 of the report
  17. ^ '' a dealer in cloth; retail merchant or clerk who sells piece goods.Draper
  18. ^ The Warehousemen and drapers' trade journal. Vo.1-8. 1876.

Blends (Blended textiles)[edit]

It is more helpful to know about historical terms for a reader.@Roxy the dog , kindly do not remove the sourced information.RV (talk) 09:30, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Your badly written lecture notes do not make any sense in English. By re-introducing them, you have edit-warred. -Roxy . wooF 09:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Something obvious to you, may not be to someone else.reader. BTW what is bad in it? Read guide lines hereWP:HISTINFO. Thanks RV (talk) 09:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

What ?[edit]

@Roxy the dog You have removed a sourced information[[2]] with this ed sum Nonsense. textiles for transmitting info. hahahaha. Can you explain the reason? RV (talk) 15:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Textile[edit]

A textile is a flexible material made by creating an interlocking network of yarns or threads, which are produced by spinning raw fibres (from either natural or synthetic sources) into long and twisted lengths.Textiles are then formed by weaving, knitting, crocheting, knotting, tatting, felting, bonding, or braiding these yarns together.

Textile, any filament, fibre, or yarn that can be made into fabric or cloth, and the resulting material itself.[1]
  • Comment: Lead in the article limits textiles to the "fabrics" only in spite of the fact that the term "textile" is a broader term and includes fibers, yarns and fabrics, and technical textiles, etc. Can we have a discussion and make a consensus? Thanks RV (talk) 13:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "textile | Description & Facts". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2021-08-19.

fashion[edit]

Can you write fashion as a type of clothing 41.217.55.121 (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

No. -Roxy the dog. wooF 20:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)