Talk:Benelux

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Pictures[edit]

There shouldn't be two pictures with text in the middle. And three pictures is a bit much for this article. So I propose that we get rid of Benelux.png and move the satellite one to the right.

Shouldn't this article be merged with Low Countries ? And I agree, 3 pictures is a bit much...
No, the name Low Countries has nothing to do with the Benelux. As that article explains, it's a very vague term (partically only historic, most notably for Luxembourg), while Benelux is a the for an official union.

I've tried to add some information concerning the Benelux as an international organisation... the amount of text might now justify the use of three images, and this specific organisational point of view is also a counterargument against its merger with "the low countries".


This map (Benelux.png) isn't correct. The Netherlands doesn't look like it usually does. Here a more realistic map as a reference. It has a hunchback in the east and Zeeland (southwest corner) is missing. To Dutch people this really looks bad. Does anyone mind if I remove the img from the page? Mtcv 18:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Heel_Nederland_English.PNG file contains a weird remark on how the dutch supposivly refer to the Benelux as "the whole of Netherlands" sometimes, which is probably only true for the author of that image.

Monarchies?[edit]

Small point; Luxembourg is a grand duchy. Not sure if "monarchy" covers that or not. Teutanic 11:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it does cover grand duchy. never mind. Teutanic 16:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why it is of particular note that they are (or are not) monarchies. Why is this emphasised ? Surely Benelux would still be Benlux if one of them was a republic ? I have changed 'monarches' to 'countries'.

Why does it say benelux is a clown college for small reptiles? khkhk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.247.94 (talk) 21:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Population[edit]

I changed the population into 27.5 million. It first said 27.1 million, but by just adding up the total population of all three nations, I get at least 27.5 million (the exact total population is 27,562,217). --Robster1983 14:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC) I've updated it again with 2008 figures --84.197.138.63 (talk) 16:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And, now it is 27.725 million, but I checked Belgium & Netherlands and they alone have 27.7 million. Probably there is more in Luxembourg than only 25,000 inhabitants. 85.217.38.116 (talk) 06:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Confederation[edit]

Is this an example of a confederation? Zagubov (talk) 23:34, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. It's more like NAFTA.--Wester (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Religion removed from the tables[edit]

I removed the religion part from the tables. Mainly because it is unsourced. There are many different statistics available, each depending on the exact question (see also Religion in Europe). Something complex as religion in a country cannot be summarized in a table but should be included in a separate discussion (which probably needs a seperate article). Nico (talk) 11:53, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Coordinate error tfi[edit]

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You haven't said what is in error or how it needs to be changed. In a hasty look, the only coordinates I see in the article are those of Brussels (in the infobox), and they are correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll have to give a clear explanation of what it is, exactly. Deor (talk) 14:40, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 27 May 2020[edit]

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Benelux → Benelux Union – There is some confusion on Wikipedia about whether Benelux is a geographical expression (like Low Countries) or the supranational body. The rename is not only technically correct (as the article already makes clear) but also adds clarity about this. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. I don't believe the proposed change addresses the given reason. It might well do the opposite, implying there is a Benelux geographical area within which countries have formed a union, which is the case for the much more well known European Union. It would also be wrong to suggest the term isn't used in a geographical sense, as all terms referring to administrative bodies do tend to be used as such. Regarding WP:AT, "Benelux" by itself is more concise, and more common. CMD (talk) 09:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis:, it is literally called the Benelux Union! This is like the article for the European Union being called "Europe"! —Brigade Piron (talk) 07:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That argument directly contradicts your geographical expression argument. To address the new argument specifically, see WP:OFFICIALNAMES and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. CMD (talk) 08:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: I am afraid I don't understand your argument. I presume you do not dispute that this article currently addresses the governmental body. I do not dispute your argument that Benelux is often seen as a geographical term but its use in this sense is entirely separate from the Union. The Benelux Office for Intellectual Property and Benelux Cup are two examples which use the term but have absolutely no affiliation or connection to the Benelux Union at all. At the moment, readers and editors struggle to disentangle the differences between these two unrelated concepts (geographical and legal) because of the current ambiguity in the title. This article addresses the Benelux Union (and should be named as such) while Benelux (geographical expression) should probably redirect to Low Countries or get a stand-alone article. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You opened this by saying "There is some confusion on Wikipedia about whether Benelux is a geographical expression (like Low Countries) or the supranational body". In your reply to me you mention the European Union, whose name is literally "Union" attached to a pre-existing geographic term. This example shows that the move would worsen your initial concern. CMD (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: You misunderstand my argument. Benelux is both a geographical term and a union (see here). There is no relation between the two, however. The move is intended to ensure that Benelux Union is adequately distinguished from Benelux (geographical expression). The blurring of the two confuses an already difficult subject. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As I said in my initial response, the name of perhaps administrative area can be both a political and geographic term. We don't need two articles for each one, per WP:NOTDIC. If there is genuine confusion, that is what hatnotes are for. CMD (talk) 11:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "Benelux" is the established name. JIP | Talk 13:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:PRECISE. "Benelux" can be used to refer to the union or just as a way to refer to the three countries collectively. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Very well known term hardly ever confusing. An emperor /// Ave 02:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Emperor of Emperors:, how about the Benelux Cup, Benelux memorandum or Benelux Office for Intellectual Property which link to "Benelux" (or the category) but have nothing at all to do with the Benelux Union? —Brigade Piron (talk) 07:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Benelux is a well known and widely recognizable term. Benelux (Union) as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC can take precedence over all other things named after Benelux without disambiguation. May be a hatnote can do the work to clarify about this.--Ab207 (talk) 19:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Question From a Newbie[edit]

This article (as of March 2023) contains a citation request for the following section:

"The Benelux is an economically dynamic and densely populated region, with 5.6% of the European population (29.55 million residents) and 7.9% of the joint EU GDP (€36,000/resident) on no more than 1.7% of the whole surface of the EU."

I'd like to help verify this, and I can do the math to prove or disprove it with data sources cited. But I doubt I could find an existing website that showed all that proof. What's the proper method here, should I post it somewhere myself and cite my own post? Or am I just out of luck? Markthomasvia (talk) 04:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally, we would want a similar statement from a secondary source. However, if all that is available are primary data sources, you could for example cite a source (that is, one source which has all the numbers, not multiple sources) with the European population per country that you used to do basic WP:CALCulations. CMD (talk) 05:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Frontier workers[edit]

There is no definition given for "frontier worker", neither here, nor elsewhere else in Wikipedia or Wiktionary (that I could find). It seems to mean "worker who works in a different country than they live in". And, while the numbers are given for several such workers, the numbers between the Netherlands and Luxembourg (in both directions) are not given. TomS TDotO (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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