Talk:Extortion

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Made editorial changes and to include "See Also" and "External Links". Paradigmbuff 18:14, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)

See also, insurance companiesextortion is the best thing that you could ever do.

Similar Crimes: Taxation[edit]

There appears to be some dispute concerning whether taxation is legitimately a "Similar Crime" or not. I respect that some people do not regard taxation as a crime, but this is clearly not a universally held notion. Some countries such as Switzerland have even gone so far as to cater to tax evaders on the basis of understanding that taxation is indeed a crime. What exactly is it that convinces people otherwise? If you were ruled by the mafia, and they then being in charge of the courts insisted their activities were not criminal, would the lack of any recourse to a higher authority necessitate that their criminal activities are therefore licit? I should think not. Just because you grew up indoctrinated with the belief that forcibly seizing the products of others' labour in the name of charity is a legitimate activity does not change that this is not universally regarded to be the case. There is no need to have a separate law against taxation, because taxation is defacto extortion. The only thing that distinguishes one from the other is the opinion of the ruling power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metasintactic (talk • contribs) 09:56, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly worded remark[edit]

This remark needs either expansion or deletion:

"The United States defines extortion as: The term "extortion" means the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right."

Where in the United States is this definition used exactly? U.S. law consists of 51 sets of written codes (the federal governement's and those of the individual states (neglecting for the moment city and county ordinances)), plus the common law. Extortion as defined in one jurisdiction may not be the same as defined in another. It needs to be made clear what this definition refers to.

Crime against property v. crime against person[edit]

In the table on the right hand side extortion is listed as a crime against persons, it is actually a property crime.

Although it's very likely there are jurisidictions that place extortion under under Crimes against property, I'm pretty sure there are a good number of others that place them under Crimes against the person. See Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 707 (Offenses against Property), Part VII (Extortion), comprised of sections 707-760 through 707-769. Also, I moved the anonymous user's comment into a new section as it is not related to Poorly Worded Remark section above. IMHO (talk) 03:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Extortion and the Romans?[edit]

Correct me if I am mistaken, but didn't the Roman Republic/Empire call any fiducary crimes extortion? --V. Joe 22:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Geographic scope[edit]

I placed the tag on the article because the article does not mention "extortion" being a crime in non-American jurisdictions. For example, what does Canadian law say about extortion, what does Poland say, etc... If that isn't easily found, at the very least, both Napoleonic Law (Code Napoleon) and common law deserve entries and explanations in this article... Thanks V. Joe 16:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Britain[edit]

Just because its illegal in Scotland doesn't mean its ilegal in England. 87.194.35.230 02:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What maeks this difference from theft?[edit]

that its done in style and wtih class? 199.117.69.60 (talk) 20:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, the fact that the person is doing the action of transferring the property. Your question is the same as asking what the difference is between forgery and signature under duress. Same thing exactly. 79.122.0.138 (talk) 15:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exaction v. Extortion[edit]

Exaction and extortion are not synonymous. An exaction is a part of property law (a condition on development). Verkhovensky (talk) 17:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I realized my former comment may need a bit more context. Exaction was a redirect to Extortion, but that has now been corrected. Verkhovensky (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lawful?[edit]

Extortion, outwresting, and/or exaction is a criminal offense which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion -

So... I guess that governments are off the hook by this definition. They LAWFULLY obtain their money through coercion... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.187.178 (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be a distinction made between: 1. Collectivist/utilitarian doctrines which posit that government is an embodiment of common 'social values' which have moral superiority over the individual or minority good. 2. Individualist doctrines which posit that governments role is to protect the 'rights' of individuals wherein the origin of personal sovereignty is 'natural law' or logical coherent ideas, divine law, or simply mysticism (i.e. causeless motives) in the case of anarchism.

For a libertarian, democracy is based on extortion. § — Preceding unsigned comment added by SheldonThinks (talk • contribs) 04:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This actually an important facet of extortion. For example, the following sentence is wrong:

Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense.

It is wrong because a threat of violence may be legal, such as threatening to arrest and imprison them, which is not best described as "non-violent". Governments probably draw heavily from the military and universities because they have the best coping mechanisms for dealing with absurdities. Int21h (talk) 12:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

extorsion[edit]

situation

Im working in a salon..we have a customer complain, complaining regarding of his swollen foot done by one of our manicurist.we already give money to the complainant and still asking for more for "danios perwisios",thru sms stating that she will use the money for his son's tuition fee, because she already use the money for medication even though we already provide her money for that.

is this can be consider as extortion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claud 01 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Classic Movie Line[edit]

The following lone needs to be edited in my opinion:

"...the offender takes property from the victim by the immediate use of force or fear that force will be immediately used (as in the classic movie line, "Your money or your life.")"

Said classic 'movie' line has origins as far back as 1781 (if Wikipedia is to be believed), ommitting the word 'movie' should suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.51.168 (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- Done... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.57.32 (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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George Pippen[edit]

I am brand new to Wikipedia. I just deleted the last senentence in the paragraph under "United States" because it had no citation yet made a claim about "George Pippen" practicing "extortionism" for "intel" and "personal gain". Mpaze (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

why the USA/england/wales focus?[edit]

why does this page have the focus on just 2/3 countries here, instead of either not having any specific focuses, OR, some kind of exhaustive list, describing how extortion is used differently in different parts of the world, to portray its use circumstantially / contextually?

if you chose to do the latter, you could link in other causes/causation,.. political strife, economic crisis, etc.


it also does not seem to have a basic description of how currency value and how things like profiteering business often try to minimise employees / lower pay when they can, which IN TURN, causes embitterment / RE-action, to the possibly unfair/dis-proportionate cut, etc. lowering pay / reducing employees, and putting pressure on remaining ones, is not somehow in 2018, still 'up for debate' ... as to whether or not it at least SOMETIMES, causes people to go criminal , in terms of 'getting something back', or similar expressions.


whichever side of the argument you might sit on, it is not INcorrect, to say that there are root causes OF it, which could be on the page somewhere.

REW Vurrath (talk) 19:11, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Land invasion[edit]

Sir/Madam

We would like to report fraud made by certain people in Magoebaskloof,Limpopo Tzaneen.They are selling lands to white farmers without the knowledge of the community.

May we get the right department and channel on how to report this.

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J Monyama 0664790489 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbridge (talk • contribs) 09:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To add to article[edit]

To add to this article: mention of the term "extortion under color of official right." 173.88.246.138 (talk) 20:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extortion: My Case[edit]

My Ex-Wife texted me threatening that I'd be in contempt of court if I don't, instead of paying child support to the agency, pay her directly. I had my attorney look it over, and he said it was not a crime. Even didn't break the mutual protection order.

I considered it extortion. It is a threat if you threaten legal action. The MPO states no "Harrasment or attempt to annoy other party". What do you think? MattL9 (talk) 04:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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