Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Chiu (0th nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - kept

Alex Chiu

This is nothing more than a vanity page for a huckster peddling "immortality rings." Katefan0 21:48, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

• Delete Vanity, snake oil ad. Wyss 22:51, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• ROFL! This guy? His page is very often used as the non plus ultra of web hoaxes in technology classes. I used to direct 10 year olds to his page, and they'd howl with laughter at his money back guarantee if you ever die. Truly infamous for being truly terrible. Delete: He already has his ill-fame, and he'd never merit discussion except as a line or two in an article on Internet hoaxes. Geogre 03:30, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • That his page is so referenced as the non plus ultra of its type indicates noteriety (hence my vote below). -- Infrogmation 07:39, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep: This guy is in the exact same class of Internet kooks as Gene Ray, whose page started out about as small as this one when it went through it's VfD, but which evolved into something useful. He's a kooky snake-oil peddler, but a notable one. See also Jeff K., Real Ultimate Power, Goatse.cx... goofy internet memes generally are allowed pages here. Vslashg 07:08, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. This figure is very noteworthy. Fight the suppression of information by the deletionists. [[User:GRider|GRider\^talk]] 17:24, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Oh, yes, of course. That's what people are doing. They're suppressing information. Yep. That's why people have said that he should be discussed elsewhere: they're out to suppress information. Sheesh.
• I'm tempted to think Geogre is right and this really needs a brief mention in a larger article on hoaxes and charlatans. Other than making some outrageous claims and spamming them all over the world he hasn't done anything. There are thousands of other people who do much the same thing, but perhaps less outrageous. And is his favorite actor at all relevant? -R. fiend 18:33, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Comment: I'd support the idea of adding him to a page of Internet hoaxes, but he's not worth an entire page when his only reason for being listed is because his shtick is laughable. Katefan0 18:55, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Vanity page?? The article basically says he is a spamming huckster kook! And he has been notable as such for years. -- Paul Richter 04:00, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: My position is that he's not known for himself. He's known as a hoax. I.e. "Alex Chiu" and "hoax" are inextricably linked. Thus, I feel like his notability, his fame, and the reason for discussing him is solely as part of an article on Internet hoaxes. Internet hoaxes is a redlink, but I feel sure we have an article on the subject. If we don't, we really should as an omnibus for these folks. Geogre 04:21, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Extreme keep. The fact that Geogre used to direct his own students to Alex Chiu's page proves his notability (or infamy). He was interviewed on Slashdot in 2001 [1], has been incorporated into video games [2] by cult-like fans, and is famously known around the world for his so-called Immortality Device. [3] This is such a blatantly obvious keep. —[[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 05:12, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, unfortunately. It may be too early to say whether this particular peddler will turn out to be significant or not - he may be just the 32rd in a dozen. There are similar historical cases (James Morison, anyone?) Skysmith 09:34, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep Certainly not vanity by Chiu himself. Chiu a figure of some note in some circles, such as Usenet oldbies and followers of crackpots eccentric alternative thinkers. -- Infrogmation 07:39, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep -- Archimedes Plutonium has been written up too, so we may as well keep this one. Silly Dan 05:09, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
• Keep. --Golbez 07:26, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
• keep Yuckfoo 09:09, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep --holizz 18:22, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. —tregoweth 21:03, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Definite hoaxter, but a very very very well known hoaxter. Also given as an example in some of my classes as well. Alkivar 05:34, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep Alex Chiu is the man of our time so there is no more deleting this entry. Furthermore the entry should be further expanded. - immortalw

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.