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Stub[edit]

Yes, this is a stub, but it should not be deleted. I have added some information. Danny 02:55, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Robin Hood[edit]

"often described as the "Slovak Robin Hood." Where is he described as Robin Hood? Przykuta 13:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Link[edit]

The link to the slovak movie in production is dead - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0323691/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.53.115.218 (talk • contribs) 10:28, January 13, 2007

Fico strangeness[edit]

What is the Fico connection here? I removed it, as it looks just like a cheap attack. It's pretty strange to talk about a legendary figure and then say "here's the current aftermath." That doesn't make sense. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source said what you deleted. The last move of the now resigned defence minister was Jánosik's promotion to lietutant or what. see User talk:Elonka at the bottom. --Rembaoud (talk) 14:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source[1] is not in a language that I can read, but just on a quick glance and the number of exclamation points, it seems to be a tabloid, so not exactly a reliable source. Can you find a stronger source for the paragraph? --El on ka 14:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I did not notice this "promotion" among all fantasies about Jánošík that some members of Slovak government has produced in recent months, I was trying to search for it. Nothing so far in Slovak sources - and there are publishers who are eager to display all such things... Maybe Rembaoud will have more luck. --Ruziklan (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length of the 2nd lead paragraph[edit]

The second paragraph seems too long to me. I don't really know how important historically or legendary he is, but I suggest splitting either the historical or the legend part into a separate section following the bio. Thus, the structure would be "intro + overall why's famous, bio on person, other with him, growth and spread into legendary status, in film, literature, etc." Any other views? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hungarian-Slovakian disputes[edit]

This article appears to be within the scope of several disputes between Hungarian and Slovakian editors. To address this, a central page has been setup at User talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian experiment, where several of the issues are being discussed, and work is being done towards the creation of a guideline which will help reduce such disputes in the future. Any interested editors are invited to join the page and participate in the discussion. --El on ka 15:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Naming[edit]

I notice that there is some back and forth on which name to use in this article. Could the next editor to change it, please provide an actual published source? Thanks, El on ka 19:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found Terchová/Tyerhova/Terhely in the 1882 gazetteer of Hungary, originally published by the Hungarian National Royal Statistical Office. See under "Zsolnai járás", it was Tyerhova then. That doesn't mean it had that name in the 17th century too, but it's more likely than the newer Terhely. Markussep ^Talk 20:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Would that be useful at the actual Terchová article? --El on ka 20:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. I'm not sure it ever had a significant Hungarian population, since it's a small place and far from the usual Hungarian settling areas (southern and eastern Slovakia), so the relevance of the Hungarian name(s) could be limited. Markussep ^Talk 20:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible I did some mistake.Nmate (talk) 16:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nmates edits[edit]

I had to revert several of Nmates today's edits:

the comparison with Robin Hood is rather common (see Google), and the comparison with Rumcajs is not common, and more likely to be Nmates opinion of Jánošík
there's a difference between ruffian (a brutal person) and highwayman (someone who robs travelers). The second is much more applicable. "Ruffian" is not a correct translation of "zbojník".

Furthermore: is there evidence that he was a Goral? Markussep ^Talk 10:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Robin Hood comparison is not good because He was not a robber in the forest only- He fought against oppression as an crusader. Janosik was a robber and He was hanged to a hook angle when He died opposite this.Robin Hood had huge influence to the politics in his life but Jánosik was not so person. Rumcajs was a so man as Jánosik. Juraj Janosik was a robber in the forests. Have You heard about a mild-mannered robber? I think if somebody is a robber that is not a laudable behaviour.Jánosik was not a positive "historical" person. I do not know that how much was He a brutal person but He was a robber.I did not want to write that He was a brutal person, I wanted to write that He was not a positive figure.There is a Hungarian source:[2] which write that He did not rob rich men - He robbed not so rich men although He never killed nobody.It is probably You do not agree with this sentence: He was a Fanfan la Tulipe figure.

This article contents: He is a Goral legend and He was born in Goral territory.Nmate (talk) 14:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may think the comparison with Robin Hood is not right, but he is often compared to Robin Hood, and that's what the article says. "Highwayman" isn't a positive term by itself either, but it's a description of his profession and not of his character (which is likely to be subjective), and therefore better than "ruffian". About Gorals: you may be right, but your word is not enough. Was Terchová 100% Goral in the 17th century? Please provide references. Markussep ^Talk 08:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know excatly that He was a Goral, or Slovak.
Highwayman word is O.K. for me also.
Slovak Robin Hood is not O.K. for me.

It is not amazing that the Slovakian sources so called him : Slovak Robin Hood because the Slovak nation own history is very few. There was a famous Hungarian highwayman: Sándor Rózsa.He lived in Szeged. You could not find about him so sources that He was a Hungarian Robin Hood, because the Hungarian history is very rich.Did you read about the Aftermath chapter? This was a my earlier edition here.[3] Nmate (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You really should stop making those belittling remarks about Slovaks, that doesn't help at all. Markussep ^Talk 17:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another chauvinistic remark by Nmate. Nothing new to see here...--Svetovid (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I ask that the above personal attacks be removed. As to the article it could benefit from some real information such as info from Eva Krekovičová and others apart from listing the myths that were created much later and are unsupported by any evidence. Hobartimus (talk) 01:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you want NMate's personal attacks removed? Let other see his intentions.--Svetovid (talk) 11:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep the discussion focused on the article, not the editor. I'd also like to see the above section header changed so it is not personally-targeted. --El on ka 11:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Is it inaccurate?--Svetovid (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Einstein said: everything relative. I did not belittle Juraj Jánosik.The Slovaks exaggerated his historical role.He was a highwayman only.For example: I do not like Milan Rastislav Stefánik but I think He was a very important Slovak historical person.But Juraj Jánosik was not an important historical person.Nmate (talk) 16:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So do you have anything to say about the actual contents of the article?--Svetovid (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the debate here? He operated in the highlands and all identification of him has always been by the Gorals. The Gorals aren't exactly people that would try to claim someone that wasn't theirs. To question whether he was Goral is unproductive. You may as well question if Queen Victoria was English. As for his importance as a historical figure, the Gorals certainly found him an important figure, whether on the side of the Polish or Slovakian borders. The highly independent nature of the Gorals would only naturally place importance upon figures that symbolize rebellion against occupying powers.StevenJac (talk) 01:53, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Current version[edit]

... of this article is rather a mix of legends and real facts. However, it's always pointed out, what is fact, and what is a part of legend. I've added minor specification related to Jánošík's death and useful link for possible translation (I can't find any good English source...) The correct English translation of Slovakian zbojník is outlaw, not robber or ruffian. The comparison with Rumcajs is irrelevant, although very funny - Rumcajs is a fictional character from famous Czech cartoon [4]. It was only joke, I suppose. It's possible to point out the comparison with Robin Hood, since the Jánošík legend represents for many Slovaks symbol of the brave defender of the poor and downtrodden people. Jánošík as a historical person has, of course, nothing in common with that famous English hero. The article needs to distinguish the historical description of Jánošík's life and his significance as a Slovak national hero. Both is possible without heated arguments and edit wars. We need to concentrate on description of the relevant facts. I've added also two references. The author of this link, Milan Ferko from Matica slovenská, listed these books as important secondary sources for another study of Jánošík. --Vejvančický (talk) 09:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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