Talk:Highways in Greece

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Naming[edit]

Agreeing with the list here, I think these would be better at Greece Highway 1, etc. rather than Greece Interstate 1. "Interstate" sounds odd when applied to Greece -- I've never heard the word "state" used for either Greece's prefectures or peripheries. Sounds out of place. Anyone else got an opinion? –Hajor 13:12, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yep. Interstate should be changed to National Road according to the Greek name "ethniki odos", which means national road. In order to allow for separation of "normal" national roads (usually 1 lane in each direction) and national roads consistent with international motorway standards, such road (as Attiki Odos is) should be named "motorway". Christaras A. 2006-03-25 10:25 CET (UTC+1).

Major changes[edit]

I corrected many spelling errors and wrongful information about the routes. I forgot to sign in, so you might just see an IP in history, but it was me. I removed the "rare highways" section as there is no such thing and also removed the defunct routes section. There are actually a few defunct routes but there is no information about them yet, so instead of having an empty section I decided to remove it. I also made corrections on the routes, added the alternate names section, since I am Greek and I know about it. Recently, I found a collection of maps which show the highway numbering, as opposed to others that don't, so I intend to further improve this article. Jimzoun 12:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Numbering of Attiki Odos[edit]

Hello. According to operating and building company [Attiki Odos A.E.] there is a number designated for Attiki Odos. Referring to the maps available at aforementioned website, Attiki Odos is designated national road 6 (ethinki odos 6). However, given the fact that Greece start to differentiate between normal national roads (usually 2-lane) and motorways (usually 4-lane), obviously greek motorway 6 should be appropiate designation number. Hence, signing on so called greek motorway is different to normal national road. Green background (motorway) vs. blue background (normal national road). Additionally, European Road 94 is designated to Attiki Odos according to aforementioned maps. Do you agree?

Greetings. Christaras A. 2006-03-25. 10:30 CET (UTC+1)

edit warring[edit]

Do I need to protect this article, or can we be civil and respect the consensus use of the name "Republic of Macedonia"? kwami (talk) 07:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You will probably have to protect it, because the faction of tag-team revert warriors is evidently determined not to acknowledge the consensus against their cherished POV island that was recently documented at the Greece poll. They will in all likelihood continue to revert-war forever. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:58, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, let's see what actually happens. kwami (talk) 10:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring is bad and I will not be involved in it, but there is no such consensus. Do not be fooled by Future Perfect's false arguments that cost him already an AN/I report and probably more if he continues like that. See Talk:Greece/Naming_poll for further information.--Avg (talk) 12:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that what peeves so many Greek editors are wacko irredentist Macedonians, who were even supported at an official level only 15 yrs ago. But that's irrelevant here. Everyone else agrees that, except in diplomat speak, the name of the country in English is (Republic of) Macedonia. I would consider that consensus, which is never 100%, in any other debate, and I do so here as well. kwami (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not the place to start a debate here, but the issue is what you have in parentheses, not the Macedonia part. I mean Macedonia it is for certain, but it can perfectly be (former Yugoslav Republic of) Macedonia. It's the Republic part we disagree and I think this has not been made clear. If you asked 100 people wherever, in the US, the UK, Japan, wherever, what the official name of the country is and you gave them these two options, fYRoM and RoM, which one do you think they'd choose? And anyhow, there is already a consensus, that nobody, even FP has ever doubted, to use fYRoM for all articles involving entities with which the Republic is referred to as fYRoM, like international organizations. Greece has traditionally been on the international organization side of naming and Future out of the blue decided to change that. Why don't you have a look at the history of the article and check that there were no edit wars before FP decided to make a mess out of it? And this applies to virtually the dozens of articles he has messed up with.--Avg (talk) 17:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do not mistake the temporary tolerance (based on the nature of Wikipedia) of a flawed status quo with acceptance of it. - Ev (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flawed or not, this status quo was the consensus between all involved parties. It was a compromise that worked fine for many months (if not years). As a minimum the decent thing would be to wait for some third party to decide if there is consensus or not and not start mass-edit warring? I thought respect for the community and the process is an essential virtue for this encyclopedia.--Avg (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, MOSMAC does not represent the consensus of all parties, and parts of it were never more than the description of a termporarly tolerated flawed status quo. The very summary guidance states that "[i]n articles dealing only with the internal affairs of Greece[, n]o consensus [was ever reached]." - Ev (talk) 15:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus means exactly no consensus in my book, not consensus to use Republic of Macedonia. There was, and still is, a reason for that, since Greece is the country that the Republic is in dispute over the name and the Republic itself has accepted that Greece is a special case (this being exactly the argument of the "double formula", the official position of the Republic). In any case, you failed to mention that there was consensus for all international organizations and I mean consensus, not tolerance.--Avg (talk) 16:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

road numbering[edit]

Greece seems to have renumbered the motorways. Maybe it's a better idea to rename the articles according to their road numbers (as is common with articles about motorways in other European countries). pictures like these show that the A-prefix is signed. The article Egnatia Odos (modern road) should be renamed as A2 (Greece) or something similar in my opinion. But I rather leave that to a (Greek) author who has more insight in the Greek road numbering system. (especially about finding sources which are usually in Greek) Chriszwolle (talk) 19:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I have researched the topic for the Greek Wikipedia. Indeed the designation of motorways has been standardised by ministerial degrees in 2003 and 2008. And the designation of national roads by 1955, 1963 and 1998 documents. What is to be clarified is that national roads and motorways is not the same thing. I have fixed this issue in the article. Whether we should follow the numberings in every article or use the common names (eg. Egnatia) is an important issue. My preference in the Greek Wikipedia was to preserve the latter. --Dead3y3 (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings. I am replacing the map file created by user Christaras A, to the previous version, also created by the latter, but edited by user Skgxt. As explained in the Greek discussion page of the article, motorway A5 does not include the part shown in the Peloponnese, which in turn is refered to as Motorway A9 according to the decree of December 2008. The source of the file was the site www.ggde.gr, which turns out to be out of date. I'd like to point out that the map that is being replaced used to be correct at an older date, therefore Christaras A was not completely wrong, simply out of date due to the aforementioned site. For reference and confirmation of my words and actions, feel free to check the following sites: www.ypodomes.com (in Greek only for now), and https://www.motorways-exits.com (under the Greece section). --Jimzoun (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is no NR111. It is common name used by locals for NR33. I don't know how it came into existence; a kind of urban myth, probably? Btw. the section Lampeia - Olympia is a provincial road, while the Agia Triada - Lampeia part is the NR33. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.6.167 (talk) 17:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

National road code[edit]

I saw someone use "EO" recently, so I put that in Template:Infobox road/name/GRC. If it should be "GR" or something else, please adjust. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Provincial roads[edit]

Recently (via SkyscraperCity) we have been tracing the source of road numbering system for provincial roads in Greece for OpenStreetMap and I am informing all interested parties that there is such as system, and the document can be found "here". (4.4 MB). --Marianian^(talk) 11:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]