Talk:Dominions of Sweden

Old talk[edit]

I wonder if it wouldn't be a great idea to signify non-English words and expressions in italics? "Skåneland" must seem pretty foreign for non-Scandinavians, and might maybe better be marked accordingly? -- Johan Magnus 01:59 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Swedish terminology should be marked up, but I'm not sure that names ought to be. Where there is an appropriate English name it should be used, over local or in this case Swedish names. Perhaps "Terra Scania", or maybe "Scanian lands" are better alternatives than Skåneland? That acticle could also be better coordnated, particularly with Danish history since much of the regional Swedish history has their place in the entries for the respective provinces. -- Mic 20:04 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Wismar[edit]

"Sweden received the German town of Wismar with the surrounding countryside in the Peace of Westphalia (1648). In 1803 Wismar was pawned, in exchange for a loan, and control was handed over to Mecklenburg. The loan defaulted in 1903, but Sweden rescinded its right to regain control of the German exclave and thereby nominally received its present territorial constitution."

Doesn't it make more sense if the loan was repaid in 1903? garryq 13:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Historical overseas dominions[edit]

What about the shortlived overseas dominions/colonies:

New Sweden in North America West Africa Caribbean

Does anyone have more info. on these that could be added?Osli73 09:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dominons and possessions[edit]

Dominion is a specific british term for a special category of former british colonies. That term has never been in use to describe conditions of the former swedish empire. In the swedish history there has never been the same amount of categories of different dependencies as in the british. The only term used is besittning which can be translated with either possession or dependency. /Scorese (talk) 16:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support merging. Both articles refer to sv:Svenska besittningar. Gabriel Kielland (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merger. Perhaps the article may be rewritten/renamed, but Sweden centuries-long politics of making Baltic into an inner lake of the Swedish Empire is important. Perhaps Baltic dominions of Sweden would be a better title? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on That term has never been in use to describe conditions of the former swedish empire is factually incorrect. please see

Huntley Hayes, Carlton Joseph (1953). Modern Europe to 1870. pp. pp. 233 SWEDISH DOMINIONS IN THE SEVENTEENTH CENTURY. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
Roberts, Michael (1984). The Swedish Imperial Experience 1560-1718. Cambridge University Press. pp. pp. 10 Swedish dominions. ISBN 9780521278898. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
Cooper (1979). The New Cambridge Modern History. CUP Archive. pp. pp. in 1650...Swedish dominions. ISBN 9780521297134. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

or any other book on "Swedish dominions" out of 616 [1] returns at google books.

Merge? if anything related on WP that doesn't deserve it's own article should be merged into this article? sure, why not--Termer (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Both articles are currently poorly and imprecisely written. A merger may be in place, but if so, 'Dominions of Sweden should be kept and improved, and areas and places that were not besittingar (i.e. dominions) should be removed or listed separately. The only true Swedish dominions were Swedish Estonia, Swedish Ingria, Swedish Livonia and Swedish Pomerania. The rest had a different standing. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree completely, sounds like a voice of reason.--Termer (talk) 19:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Short term victories over Poland[edit]

The article should probably mention that for a few years in 1650s, during the Deluge, Sweden almost conquered Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and for a few years controlled the Polish Pomerania (Union of Kėdainiai may be of interest, too). Also, during the Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629), in some periods, Sweden had some control (ex. duties) over some of the Polish ports (including Gdansk/Danzig).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But these areas were never Swedish dominions, though. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 19:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]