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1514 – Henry Grace à Dieu, the largest warship ever built at the time, was launched from Woolwich Dockyard, England.
1916 – World War I: The Battle of Mont Sorrel in the Ypres Salient came to an end as a Canadian assault led German forces to withdraw to their original lines.
2007 – Insurgents carried out a second bombing at the al-Askari Mosque, one of the holiest sites in Shia Islam.
2011 – A 6.0 M_w earthquake caused up to NZ$6 billion of additional damage to Christchurch, New Zealand, which was still recovering from an earthquake four months earlier.

Charles the Bald (b. 823)
Augusto Roa Bastos (b. 1917)
Marianne Means (b. 1934)
Mitsuharu Misawa (d. 2009)

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Dodger infield of Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey[edit]

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@Evrik: I've just reverted for the second time your edit(s) on this page. The first time was because there was no link to a wiki article specifically about this event, the second time was because there was no inline citation. These are both requirements for DOY articles as stated at WP:DOYSTYLE and WP:DOYCITE. Before you add this entry again, please discuss here on the talk page. My own feeling is that a single sentence in the 1973 Los Angeles Dodgers season does not meet the requirement for this to be regarded as significant, but if you think it is, then please write the article first. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 04:26, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a single event on a single day. The event in question is found at 1973 Los Angeles Dodgers season#Memorable_events. WP:DOYCITE says, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." Looking at Wikipedia:Inline citation, I believe that 1973 Los Angeles Dodgers season#Memorable_events counts. It does not say it has to have its own have its own article. BTW, the sentence is cited. --evrik ^(talk) 04:37, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now there is Dodger infield of Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey. --evrik ^(talk) 19:43, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't heard this argument before. My understanding of an inline citation is a reference at the end of an entry enclosed in ref HTML tags. @Toddst1: would you care to comment here? Kiwipete (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pete is correct.Per WP:UGC, In particular, a wikilink is not a reliable source. Evrik, you should know that by now. An inline citation to a WP:RS is absolutely required.

In addition, while there is an article about the Dodger infield of Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey, them playing together for the first time doesn't meet the threshold of WP:EVENTDOY. Toddst1 (talk) 14:05, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dodger infield of Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey has both the LA Times and the NY times writing about the event. I also believe that it could qualify per the WP:EVENTDOY criteria. --evrik ^(talk) 19:45, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry you feel that way because the consensus on the project is clear - The second and third sentences of Wikipedia:Days of the year: People and events listed should be independently notable and should therefore each have an article. Do not add entries for people or events that do not have an article on Wikipedia. Each of these people are notable in their own right. The 4 of them working together as an infield group are notable enough to have an article, but the game where the 4 of them started to do so was not significant enough to have an article. In comparison, these baseball games are notable enough: Category:Major League Baseball games. Toddst1 (talk) 21:45, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 13 is the start of the event discussed atDodger infield of Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey. How is it different from this entry at June 6:

1944 – Commencement of Operation Overlord, the Allied invasion of Normandy, with the execution of Operation Neptune—commonly referred to as D-Day—the largest seaborne invasion in history. Nearly 160,000 Allied troops cross the English Channel with about 5,000 landing and assault craft, 289 escort vessels, and 277 minesweepers participating. By the end of the day, the Allies have landed on five invasion beaches and are pushing inland.

Please explain. --evrik ^(talk) 16:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Really?? D-Day is June 6. You should also know by now that WP:OSE is a lousy argument. WP:STICK applies as well. Respect consensus and move on. Bye! Toddst1 (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stick? I see one person. That is not a consensus. WP:OSE doesn't apply either, as you are making the case that the entry is outside the guidelines. There are many entries where we list the first day of a longer event. So, this does fit within the guidelines. --evrik ^(talk) 16:06, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am a huge baseball fan and would love to see all baseball events here, but this still isn't noteworthy... posty (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the content. It has an article. It is cited. It made the DYK this week. It meets all the standards set to be on the page. If you don't think so, AfD the article. --evrik ^(talk) 15:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it was a "Did You Know" doesn't mean that it should be posted on the day page. Plus this isn't a record that is known like Bonds HR record, most games played in a row, this is an obscure record. posty (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus is not three people in a disagreement. Especially when most of the counter arguments are highly subjective. Please tell me, if this line meets all the criteria, how is not notable? --evrik ^(talk) 15:58, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like how someone doesn't get their way on something and they are a mod, open things back up. Dude, it isn't worthy enough to be on the page. Just give up. posty (talk) 16:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am more than willing to discuss this. Someone else unilaterally closed the discussion. --evrik ^(talk) 16:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see valid reasons presented early on to oppose this content. Since then, a valid article about this infield team has been created and a reliable inline source provided. I support inclusion. Obscurity is not a reason to exclude this (most DOY entries are obscure). I would not construe WP:DOY to limit the inclusion of start and end dates of notable events. If we do, thousand of entries need to be removed. Some on this page include "First day of the June 1990 Mineriad in Romania", "World War II: Germany launches the first V1 Flying Bomb attack on England", and "Pioneer 10 becomes the first man-made object to leave the central Solar System when it passes beyond the orbit of Neptune." Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Firefangledfeathers: have you reviewed the Wikipedia:Days of the year inclusion criteria or are you offering an uninformed opinion? Toddst1 (talk) 00:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and do what you guys want as I really don't care anymore. I just think that adding an obscure record like this that very little people know about can open this up for more obscure things to be added later. Was just trying to avoid that possibility. Carry on. posty (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why the project has rules against adding crap like this. Toddst1 (talk) 00:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, today's featured article talks about "I've Just Seen a Face", a Beatles song written and sung by Paul McCartney. It was recorded on June 14, 1965. Maybe that should be added to the June 14 "Events" section... posty (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like that song. If you make the nomination, ping me and I will support your action. --evrik ^(talk) 14:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]