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A fact from Hampi appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 December 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that before its destruction, the UNESCO world heritage site Hampi (partly pictured) was the center of the world's second-largest medieval city after Beijing?

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Ho 49.205.151.30 (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Buddha or Jain tirthankar?[edit]

One of the images in the Hazara Rama temple section has a caption referring to the Jain tirthankar, while the image description on Wikimedia Commons and the original Flickr post claim it is Buddha, as 9th Avatar of Vishnu. What is correct, and can a reference be added here, to avoid confusion? Wiki-uk (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think Buddha is much more likely, & have changed it to that. But, if we are to use the image, really a ref is needed either way. Johnbod (talk) 21:35, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need both Hampi and Vijayanagara, covering the same thing[edit]

This was raised a bit in the section now at the top of the page. The old town of Hampi was renamed Vijayanagara at the start of the Vijayanagara Empire, then deserted when that fell. Hampi now seems to be the normal term. Hampi (town) covers the modern settlement (pop. under 3,000).

Hampi and Vijayanagara both cover the history and the monuments, & should be merged. Thoughts? Johnbod (talk) 18:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Vijayanagara page does seem a bit confused as to its extent. The lead says "A part of Vijayanagara ruins known as the Group of Monuments at Hampi..." implying it has a larger scope, but the description section says "The ruined city is a World Heritage Site..." suggesting the two have the same extent. The content does seem to be entirely overlapping, suggesting that even if there is a distinction it is probably not enough to create two different articles. A merge seems sensible, with Vijayanagara redirecting to the Vijaynagar disambiguation page. CMD (talk) 07:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(the below copied from the wrong page!) Johnbod (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that they should not cover the same thing. But Vijayanagara is/was famous as a major city in southern India in the Middle Ages. In the context of the present day, we should use Hampi. In the context of the ruined city, we should use Vijayanagara, and they should be separate articles.

There is a huge problem with "improvers" who copy stuff from article to article in the believe that they are making things better. Their efforts need reverting.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really understand this - I don't see, given there is only a 200-year period we know much about, how this would work. The ruined city seems today firmly called "Hampi", by UNESCO and others. What is "the context of the present day", other than the ruins? Johnbod (talk) 05:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this will explain:

Verulamium (ancient ruined city)
St Albans (medieval town and modern city)

Of course, Verulamium was never as important a place as Vijayanagara was in the middle ages.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, that doesn't help me at all. As I said above, we have Hampi (town), which covers the modern settlement (pop. under 3,000). That isn't at issue here. We don't have any material on the pre-Vijayanagara settlement in any of the three articles, except to say there was one. The equivalent to the current situation would be having Verulamium (ancient ruined city) and Verulamium (Roman ruins). Johnbod (talk) 17:33, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Curious what information do you need pre-Vijaynagara period ? , As the story goes it was a forest region "Origin of the Vijayanagara Empire " two guys founded the city & empire out of nothing Shrikanthv (talk) 08:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think it was a reasonably sized town long before. Johnbod (talk) 15:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From Hampi (town) : "Hampi is mentioned in Ashokan epigraphy and texts such as the Ramayana and the Puranas of Hinduism as Pampaa Devi Tirtha Kshetra.^[1]^[2]^[3]"

But i agree with your observation, we need to cut & distinguish with the old & new , the new has not much to say & would allways point to the later Shrikanthv (talk) 08:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So you're in favour of the merge, then? Johnbod (talk) 16:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Cite error: The named reference Verghese2002p1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ John M. Fritz; George Michell; Clare Arni (2001). New Light on Hampi: Recent Research at Vijayanagara. Marg Publications. pp. 1–7. ISBN 978-81-85026-53-4.
^ D. Devakunjari. World Heritage Series: Hampi. Eicher Goodearth Ltd, New Delhi - for Archaeological Survey of India. p. 8. ISBN 81-87780-42-8.

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[2] John M. Fritz; George Michell; Clare Arni (2001). New Light on Hampi: Recent Research at Vijayanagara. Marg Publications. pp. 1–7. ISBN 978-81-85026-53-4.

[ASI-3] D. Devakunjari. World Heritage Series: Hampi. Eicher Goodearth Ltd, New Delhi - for Archaeological Survey of India. p. 8. ISBN 81-87780-42-8.

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