Talk:Irish language in Northern Ireland

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Derry/Londonderry edit by Ben W Bell[edit]

Comment on Ben W Bell's last edit says "rv, name of county is County Londonderry. See WP:IMOS. No offical county named County Derry." Last time I checked, there was no 'official' county called Londonderry, nor is there any such thing as a 'county' in Northern Ireland if we want to be really pedantic. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 23:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Highest proportion of Irish speakers...[edit]

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According to the 2001 census, 167,487 people (10.4% of the population) had "some knowledge of Irish" with the highest concentrations of Irish speakers found in Belfast, Derry, Newry/South Armagh, Central Tyrone (between Dungannon and Omagh), and southern County Londonderry (near Maghera).

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I can testify that Maghera does not have a high concentration of Gaelic speakers. Is there sources for this? It has a Gaelic-nursery/primary school but it struggles to fill its classrooms. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Map[edit]

If 10.4% of the total population of NI knows Irish, then the map we have at the top of the article doesn't seem very accurate. It suggests that there are broad swathes of the country where a third or more speak Irish - and even an area where 95% speak it! That last one especially seems dubious. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The darkest shaded regions of the map correspond to >20% of the population of that area claiming the ability to speak Irish. I don't see how that translates to a claim of "a third or more" and definitely have no idea where you're getting the figure of 95% from. Foolish Child (talk) 14:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies in the Status section[edit]

The article states that ratification by Westminster of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages gives Irish "a degree of protection and status comparable to the Welsh language in Wales and Scottish Gaelic in Scotland." This is misleading and obviously contradictory as the status of the Welsh language in Wales and Scottish Gaelic in Scotland are VASTLY different. Even nominally, Welsh in Wales is referred to as an "official language"; whereas Scottish Gaelic in Scotland is a "recognised regional language". One is able to use the Welsh language to liase with various services provided by Westminster (the Job Centre, the DVLA and the NHS to name a few examples) as well as most government websites being accessible in Welsh and agencies having dedicated Welsh language telephone lines. By contrast none of this is available for Scottish Gaelic speakers in Scotland with the Westminster government making no concrete provision at all for Scottish Gaelic, and indeed one is currently prohibited from using Scottish Gaelic in Scottish courtrooms (per Taylor v Haughney (1982)); which is the opposite to the situation in Wales whereby one may use the Welsh language if one desires, even if one is more proficient in English. Thus "protection and status" for Welsh in Wales are concrete realities; whilst for Scottish Gaelic in Scotland they are purely a nominal gesture on the part of Westminster. Given this contradiction, the article should be updated to reflect which of the two situations the status of Irish is actually comparable to. Foolish Child (talk) 14:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Fermanagh[edit]

Two points:

Does anyone know why the Irish language died out in Fermanagh early on? Its proximity to the Republic and rurality seem disposed to preserving Irish.
What is that small part of Fermanagh on the map in dark green that has a relatively large proportion of Irish speakers? Is it just a coincidence that so many live there or is this a unique community? Epa101 (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]