Talk:Vitalogy

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Good articleVitalogy has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
March 29, 2008Good article nomineeListed
July 26, 2012Good topic candidatePromoted
September 30, 2020Good topic removal candidateDemoted
Current status: Good article

"And a loose Concept album?"[edit]

How is it a concept album? ***** —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spongesquid (talk • contribs) 22:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


POV[edit]

It says "sparse productions and often bizarre lyrics (such as on "Bugs") made the album inaccessible without repeated listens." This sounds more like opinion than fact. I agree, in my opinion the album is a bit unique and bizarre. Still...

"Imperfect sound of albums"?[edit]

From the article:

Although by the early 1990s vinyl records were completely outdated, many people still had record players and Pearl Jam liked the imperfect sound of albums, with the scratches and imperfections providing a different listening experience each time.

This one sentence has numerous errors and fallacies:

  • Records were not "completely outdated" in the early 1990s, nor are they now. Music is still widely released on vinyl, as many audiophiles prefer the dynamics of the vinyl LP. Pearl Jam was not the only band to release an album on vinyl in the early 1990s.
  • A record player is a portable device or a child's toy. If people bought Vitology on vinyl, it was to play it on a turntable. "Many people still had" these not because they never got around to tossing it in the dumpster, but because, again, they are the preferred medium for many audiophiles.
  • The members of Pearl Jam, as with all fans of vinyl LPs, do not listen to vinyl albums because they enjoy the scratches and so-called imperfections. Only a scratched, i.e. severely damaged album has flaws in the sound--and this is not a desired condition for LPs.
  • A "different listening experience" provided by the vinyl versus the CD release is not due to "scratches and imperfections". It is due to an argued greater dynamic range, clarity, and warmth.

Sheesh. Kids these days! ;) --buck 09:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since nobody has seemed to object, I've altered the offending section. --buck 14:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quality[edit]

For an album that's so crucial to music of the grunge era and also for the 90s in general, this page should be brought to the standard that would merit it being a feature article. I want to improve this article immensly to get it there. Can I have some help, though? ta. --lincalinca 12:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Backwards Message[edit]

I have just removed the following:

"(When played backwards the song contains a hidden message that sounds like "Oh, Pete Townshend, how you saved my life!" and contains variations of this. It is well known that Eddie Vedder is a huge fan of The Who.)"

It's misleading to call it a "hidden message", since it doesn't seem to be intentional. Also, since it isn't accurate to call it a "hidden message, I fail to see why it belongs in this article. Similar claims could be made about any song in the world, but that doesn't mean it belongs in an encyclopedia. The same sentence also appears in the article for the song. I'm going to remove that as well.74.182.8.21 (talk) 17:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GAN on hold[edit]

  • In the Professional reviews section of the infobox, be consistent with link titles ("link", or a date)
  • "The band wrote many of the songs during soundchecks during its Vs. Tour. The majority of the album's tracks were recorded during breaks on the tour" - sentences could be merged
  • "but that either a forced delay by Epic or that the band's battle with ticket vendor Ticketmaster were to blame for the delay" - a few commas would make this read better
  • "Tensions within the band had dramatically increased by this time..." - I'm not clear why this is the case (probably works better after some of the quotes). Also, in this para, wlink the band members
  • "Vedder has said "Better Man" is a song about an abusive relationship.[13]" - yeah, it sounds like that too. You can just say it is, you don't need to say that he said so
  • some of the reviews in the 2nd para of the Release and reception section aren't listed in the infobox
  • "reaching number 18.>" - a typo, or am I missing something?
  • ""We tried really hard, to make it like a book, kind of tipped it so it opened horizontally, which pissed off record stores: they had to put it in sideways."" - the quote itself needs a reference
  • "just seven songs with the band" - seven out of how many?
  • "All information taken from various sources" - could you place these refs inline with the relevant information, just to make things easier?
  • Brendan O'Brien appears twice in the personnel section (and, incidentally, he's done a lot of work with Powderfinger, as has Nick DiDia. Small world.)
  • Fixed. Brendan O'Brien is one of the most sought-after alternative rock producers, primarily because of his work with Pearl Jam and stone Temple Pilots, which probably why Powdwerfinger have worked with him. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "e.v. – book concept, theory of Vitalogy, typist" - why can't you say his real name?

And leave a note on my talk page when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Passed. Nice work again! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Foxymophandlemama[edit]

Per this post from this documentary. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List_of_Frontline_(American_TV_program)_episodes#Season_4_(1986) Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Problems With Songwriting Citations[edit]

There are serious, glaring problems with the citations used in this article to claim specific band members wrote the songs on this album. For example:

1. The Wiki claims Eddie Vedder wrote the music to the song "Corduroy" and then links as its citation to an interview where he makes no such claim and the author makes no such claim that he wrote the music to the song. The only exchange about "Cordury" in the interview is as follows: Q: Is "Corduroy" also about a relationship? A: It is about a relationship but not between two people. It's more one person's relationship with a million people. In fact, that song's almost a little too obvious for me. That's why instead of a lyric sheet we put in an X-ray of my teeth from last January and they are all in very bad shape, which was analogous to my head at the time. 2. The wiki claims Eddie Vedder wrote the music to the song "Immortality" and then links as its citation to the same interview as the above. Vedder makes no claim and the author makes no claim that he wrote the music to the song. In fact, Vedder discusses the lyrical content of the song and says it was "written when we were on tour in Atlanta." 3. The Wiki claims Stone Gossard wrote the music for the song "Spin the Black Circle" and then links to an interview with Vedder where Vedder only states that Gossard wrote an unspecified riff in the song. That does not necessarily constitute the writing of the entire song. 4. The Wiki claims Eddie Vedder wrote the music to the song "Bugs" and links to an article about Vedder that does not even mention the song "Bugs."

This appears to be a general problem across Pearl Jam's discography. Someone or multiple users have gone in and inserted multiple poorly sourced or completely unreliable citations, in many cases distorting what was said in them in ways that incorrectly or inaccurately attribute compositions to members of the band. These should be removed, and defer more generally to the songwriting credits in the liner notes. Icanttalkaboutit (talk) 00:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Punk Rock?[edit]

It's revisionist to call Vitalogy a punk album. 4 out of 14 songs could be considered Punk and that's hardly enough to warrant listing it as Punk Rock before Grunge -or Rock/Pop for that matter. 2601:500:8180:70:901F:BD7A:9E38:AFDF (talk) 23:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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