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Formation list[edit]

HetmanWL, you need to stop edit warring or you will be reported, so get familiar with Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle guidelines. Also, more importantly Wikipedia is based on quality reference sources not your own POV. It is a universally accepted fact that Poland became a recognized country when it's rulers were Baptized and what was then a tribal state became a duchy within the Christendom, even the communist authorities in 1966 celebrated the official formation of Poland in that year. This kind of obnoxious personal POV push degrades Wikipedia and is not based on any reliable sources, just your own revisionist interpretation of history. E-960 (talk) 09:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedia Britannica states "Mieszko accepted Roman Catholicism via Bohemia in 966. A missionary bishopric directly dependent on the papacy was established in Poznań. This was the true beginning of Polish history, for Christianity was a carrier of Western civilization with which Poland was henceforth associated."[1] Also, if that's not enough for you, pls see Millennium of the Polish State article and check out the references cited there as well. --E-960 (talk) 10:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Polish state obviously existed before Mieszko accepted Christianity. Every single historian agrees on that, 966 is just the symbolic start date because with Christianity came a more advanced and complex administration. It was a process. In the pic you yourself added, it says: Poland 960-992.
  • Furthermore, it is important to note that before Poland became a Kingdom, it was a Duchy. It didn't spring up out of nowhere.
HetmanWL (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
HetmanWL you did not provide a source that actually says that Poland became a formally recognized state before 966 AD. What you added is your own WP:OR and you are engaging is disruptive behavior by adding dubious claims to longstanding material and accusing others of disruptive behavior when they reverted your unsourced and dubious claims. --E-960 (talk) 21:33, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that in any case, there would need to be several reliable sources presented, which clearly say that Poland was a recognized state before 966 AD. Please remember that the Infobox presents hard dates, which are the majority view accepted by historians, not alternative interpretations debated by editors. --E-960 (talk) 08:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: User HetmanWL has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of user Urabura. --E-960 (talk) 08:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a sockpuppet of Urabura. I'm suspected to be a sockpuppet of Urabura and have been banned on this ground but it's an absurd accusation coming out of nowhere and I've already objected to it and the request to be unbanned is pending and based on this fact, as HetmanWL, I am informing you, to clear this false accusation. 2A00:F41:4C9F:BB52:3577:15DF:312E:6096 (talk) 23:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Block evasion. --E-960 (talk) 11:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect GDP (nominal) per capita ranking[edit]

Minor edit request - As of 2023, Poland is estimated to have the 45th highest nominal GDP per capita in the world, at $22,393, and not the 44th as is wrongly given in this article. It is actually Greece that has the 44th highest nominal GDP per capita, at $23,173, unless List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita is mistaken (using IMF figures), and the Greece page on Wikipedia is also wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:BC16:1901:9DC1:24EF:79D4:69FC (talk) 15:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Government positions[edit]

Temp0000002, if you want to add a "Ceremonial King" position in the Government section of the infotable, please provide an official proof that confirms existence of such position in the framework of Republic of Poland government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fiszu2001 (talkcontribs) 16:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Temp0000002, you need to stop edit warring. I've created this section specifically to discuss your change and yet you've ignored it. Fiszu2001 (talk) 17:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing to discuss. You're reverting my change without a valid reason. Temp0000002 (talk) 17:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have talked about this a few times before...last time Talk:Poland/Archive 10#Jesus being the king.Moxy- 17:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the consensus. It looks too biased. Temp0000002 (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Best read over WP:BRD and WP:3RV....dont get blocked before you can state your case Moxy- 17:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What am I supposed to do except renouncing to help the page? Temp0000002 (talk) 18:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
see WP:RCDMoxy- 18:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no legal basis for your change. From what I've read in the thread linked by @Moxy, the "coronation" was purely symbolical, made by a single party. Bill mentioned in your sources https://isap.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/download.xsp/WMP20160000380/O/M20160380.pdf bears no mention of Jesus. I don't see a point in continuing this discussion. Fiszu2001 (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Coronation was purely symbolical". That's already accounted when I wrote the title as Ceremonial King. The ceremony was official: https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114883,21000510,tlumy-na-intronizacji-jezusa-na-krola-polski-uroczystosc-trwa.html . Temp0000002 (talk) 18:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop with this. Wikipedia is a serious encyclopedia, not a meme or jokepedia. (Also, Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass: [2]). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:07, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. This is beyond ridiculous and disturbs the dignity of my fellow Wikipedians who work hard to improve the site. Merangs (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a biased approach. You are "siding" (without overly exaggerating in my speech) with keeping Wikipedia free from edits. Using words like "ridiculous" and "disturbs the dignity" just shows you have a goal in mind.
If I say: "the coronation is an important event where have participated the parliament and the president of the country and this news has profound significance as also shown by newspapers who talked about this first attempt in 2006 such as the BBC" would that not sound more worthy of consideration? Stop using inflated language as to make my edits look annoying. You're disrupting the community by preventing edits. As if as you say I don't improve the site unlike your fellow Wikipedians. Temp0000002 (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is your lack of interest in an important topic. You're not convincing me that you're right. Your bias is evident by claiming I put jokes and Wikipedia is meant for serious stuff. Guess what, my intention is to help, so back down on being rude. Temp0000002 (talk) 13:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was a religious ceremony, not a legal change. Please point to an actual act of law or a reliable source that supports this.
The fact that the Catholic church proclaimed Jesus as the King of Poland doesn't make it so, the church does not have legislative power. 176.74.156.22 (talk) 18:03, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Polish government doesn't make many of its laws readable online. This doesn't mean it's fabricated. Temp0000002 (talk) 19:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024[edit]

109.147.204.28 (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


You need to include mor info of the polish national team, and also about the fact that Poland is in the northern hemisphere .

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 20:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lede has to change[edit]

It's currently both too long (too many paragraphs) and too poor. This was a good proposition deleted without thorough discussion:

Poland (Polish: Polska [ˈpɔlska] ), officially the Republic of Poland,[a] is a country in Central Europe. It extends from the Baltic Sea in the north to the Sudetes and Carpathian Mountains in the south, while its longest river is the Vistula. Poland has a temperate transitional climate and is the fifth-most populous member state of the European Union, with its sixteen voivodeships having a total population of over 38 million and covering a combined area of 312,696 km2 (120,733 sq mi).[1][2] It is bordered by Lithuania and Russia to the northeast,[b] Belarus and Ukraine to the east, Slovakia and the Czech Republic to the south, and Germany to the west. The nation's capital and largest city is Warsaw. Other major cities include Kraków, Wrocław, Łódź, Poznań, and Gdańsk.

Prehistoric human activity on Polish soil dates to the Lower Paleolithic, with continuous settlement since the end of the Last Glacial Period. Culturally diverse throughout late antiquity, in the early medieval period the region became inhabited by the tribal Polans, who gave Poland its name. The process of establishing proper statehood, which began in 966, coincided with the conversion of a pagan ruler of the Polans to Christianity, under the auspices of the Roman Catholic Church. The Kingdom of Poland emerged in 1025, and in 1569 cemented its long-standing association with Lithuania, thus forming the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. At the time, the Commonwealth was one of the great powers of Europe, with a uniquely liberal political system which on 3 May 1791 adopted Europe's first modern constitution.

With the passing of the prosperous Polish Golden Age, the country was partitioned by neighbouring states at the end of the 18th century. Poland regained its independence in 1918 as the Second Polish Republic and successfully defended it in the Polish–Soviet War from 1919 to 1921. In September 1939, the invasion of Poland by Germany and the Soviet Union marked the beginning of World War II, which resulted in the Holocaust and millions of Polish casualties. As a member of the Eastern Bloc in the global Cold War, the Polish People's Republic was a founding signatory of the Warsaw Pact. Through the emergence and contributions of the Solidarity movement, the communist government was dissolved and Poland re-established itself as a democratic state in 1989.

Poland is a parliamentary republic, with its bicameral legislature comprising the Sejm and the Senate. It is a developed market and a high-income economy. Considered a middle power, Poland has the sixth-largest economy in the European Union by GDP (nominal) and the fifth-largest by GDP (PPP). It provides a very high standard of living, safety, and economic freedom, as well as free university education and a universal health care system. The country has 17 UNESCO World Heritage Sites, 15 of which are cultural. Poland is a founding member state of the United Nations, as well as a member of the World Trade Organization, OECD, NATO, and the European Union (including the Schengen Area).

  • This lede is akin to ledes from other country pages. The current lede is bizarre—both too long and too poor at conveying information. And unlike ledes for other countries (Germany, France etc.)

FeldmarschallGneisenau (talk) 21:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regional language[edit]

In Poland, Kashubian language is officialy recognized regional language. Please, somebody edit it.

Source: https://isap.sejm.gov.pl/isap.nsf/DocDetails.xsp?id=WDU20050170141 Shadow2005JM (talk) 07:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a second official language though. There is only one official language FeldmarschallGneisenau (talk) 00:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Official country name[edit]

Republic in Polish is Republika, Rzeczpospolita means Commonwealth, I think it's time to correct this mistake after such a long time, but I want to see if there's consensus for sure

Even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzeczpospolita_(disambiguation) says it's a word for commonwealth

Pospolita = Common it is quite literally a direct translation Octilllion (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitions of commonwealth: An independent country or community, especially a democratic republic.
A commonwealth can be a republic and it can be used as an alternative word for republic, one doesn't cross the other one out but Poland has chosen to name itself a commonwealth instead of a republic for historical reasons in it's constitution
I do not know who came up with the mistranslation to other languages Octilllion (talk) 17:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at Polish government websites ([3]) and see that 'Republic' is official in the English language, even though it may not be a direct translation of the term Rzeczpospolita. Merangs (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
maybe we just change the footnote "d" because like "Commonwealth", Rzeczpospolita is a translation of a republic and this should be more clear imo Braganza (talk) 16:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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