Talk:Stanisław Skrowaczewski

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With this conductor we run into thornier problems than we'd seen with Günter Wand and Antal Doráti. At least one other person besides me tried valiantly to put that slash on that Polish L in Skrowaczewski's first name in both the article and the URL of the page. I reasoned, since it's possible to put acute and grave accents as well as umlauts in URLs, perhaps it's also possible to put L-slashes in URLs. It appears that it can't be done. At least the body of the article itself has it written correctly. -- Dmetric—Preceding undated comment added at 17:29, 1 December 2003 (UTC)[reply]

Why was info removed?[edit]

This line was removed: Dr. Frederick Harris Jr., director of the MIT Wind Ensemble, is currently writing a book about Skrowaczewski. This info seems relevant to the article. Nationalparks 02:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First, there is a problem of Verifiability. Second, it simply does not seem encyclopedic information. If Dr Harris had finished his book and it was available for sale and considered an authoritative source on Skrowaczewski, then it could be used as a source for the article. However, even then, we would not expect to see the sentence "Dr Harris has written a book about Skrowczewski" in the article. The mere fact that X is writing (or has written) a book about Y is not usualy encyclopedic, unless there is something especially significant about X. Suppose I was writing a book about George W. Bush. Would the statement "User:Grover_cleveland is writing a book about George W. Bush" be an appropriate addition to the George W. Bush article? No. So why is "Dr Harris is writing a book about Skrowaczewski" an appropriate sentence for the Skrowaczewski article? It seems more like an advertisement for Dr Harris than an attempt to add useful content to the article. Grover cleveland 10:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone kindly add a phonetic pronunciation of his name? Every college classical DJ in the country will thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvyGold (talk • contribs) 01:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The biography is now published and would seem to be THE source now on this musician: Harris has written the official biography of Stanislaw Skrowaczewski. Published by CreateSpace, this comprehensive biography traces the fascinating life of one of classical music’s most eminent musicians. Seeking the Infinite details Skrowaczewski’s life ..... ISBN-10: 143925774450.111.63.109 (talk) 15:46, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 November 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 12:36, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stanisław Skrowaczewski → Stanislaw Skrowaczewski – Move back to correct spelling. Although the stroke through the 'l' would be strictly correct in Polish, Skrowaczewski never used it in his international career, and nor do the sources and external links cited in the article, CD covers, concert programmes et cetera. This article appears to have been originally created at the correct spelling, but was then moved without explanation in 2005 by an editor who has otherwise made no contribution to the article. 188.30.213.118 (talk) 17:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. OhKayeSierra (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Skrowaczewski's entry appears in 17 Wikipedias and each of those Wikipedias, without exception, uses the letter "ł" in his given name. Stanisław Skrowaczewski is his birth name and the name under which he gained fame in his native Poland which he did not leave until age 37. A glance at Category:Conductors (music) by nationality will confirm that Category:French conductors (music) retain their accents, Category:German conductors (music) retain their umlauts, etc. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia is not a reliable source. If 16 other Wikipedias get his name wrong that's not an excuse for us to do the same. There seems to be a problem across all Wikipedias that editors who know nothing about the subject will move an article based on their assumptions about language and spelling, rather than the actual name the subject used. Your assumption that his birth name included the 'ł' seems entirely plausible, but is contradicted by the sources cited in the article. And yes of course French conductors and German conductors may have diacritical marks in their names if they used them; the fact is that Skrowaczewski used a plain 'l' in his professional career, and we should follow his example. --188.30.212.142 (talk) 09:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the English-language cover of Stanisław Skrowaczewski / the complete oehmsclassics recordings / 90th birthday collection from OEHMS Classics. As can be clearly seen (clicking on the cover will enlarge it), the name is "Stanisław", not "Stanislaw". Numerous other reliable English-language sources render his name with the diacritic — USC Polish Music Center, Intermusica, The Guardian obituary, Naxos Records, Google Arts & Culture, etc.

Other reliable sources do indeed omit the diacritic, but those and other English-language sources may also omit diacritics for eminent German, French, Czech, Swedish, Finnish, etc composers and conductors who originated from outside the English-speaking world. Wikipedia tends to include diacritics in the names of music notables, such as Skrowaczewski, who achieved renown under their diacritic-bearing names before they settled in the English-speaking world. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:34, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose He and his wife defected from Poland to the United States in 1960, but remained ardently Polish. Some emigrants to America do eschew their native name, but Skrowaczewski didn't and all the sources listed by Roman Spinner reflect this. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:23, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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