Talk:Fireworks

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small italian town[edit]

the small italian town mentioned as having switched to silent fireworks seems very non-notable. this does not seem to be something we should mention in the lead section Gaismagorm (talk) 23:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2023[edit]

Please remove "and firecrackers" from this line. "Both fireworks and firecrackers are a popular tradition during Halloween in Vancouver." Firecrackers are prohibited in Canada. Cochrane19 (talk) 13:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done by Maproom. Tollens (talk) 01:58, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2023[edit]

The "licence" in the Halloween section under the header Ireland should be changed to "license". Breadjam· (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: no reason given for the proposed change. M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 November 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — MaterialWorks 20:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fireworks → Firework – Per WP:PLURAL, both Britannica and Oxford Dictionary use "firework" unlike bacteria and Oxford Dictionary notes "Bacteria" should always be used with a plural verb. Yes its more common to have multiple but you can easily talk about a single firework such as someone throwing a single firework at someone or Firework organisers. And there are many things like Shoe or Sock that are more commonly in the plural but we tile singular. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Fireworks can refer to either the individual device or the general event, which is a plurale tantum. Indeed, the article touches on both aspects of fireworks. If we move it to the singular, it'll feel like it's only appropriate to cover the former. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The event isn't plurale tantum like scissors or handcuffs, "I went to a firework display" sounds as good as "I went to a fireworks display". While almost all displays have multiple you can still talk about which firework you liked the most and other things like Peas and Beans are rarely in the singular but we don't title then in the plural. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You are using "firework(s)" attributively here, where the two are synonyms (note that you can also say "scissor blade"). But it breaks down when you try to use it on its own. You can say "I went to the fireeworks" but not "I went to the firework". It is in this sense that it is a plurale tantum. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per @King of Hearts. Killuminator (talk) 10:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose plurale tantum Andy Dingley (talk) 21:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per KoH. This is a classic plurale tantum. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:SINGULAR. This is not a true plurale tantum. The plural form is certainly more common, but the singular is definitely used sometimes.[1] Rreagan007 (talk) 00:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The same can be said for scissors and pants, but attributive use of a term (a-la-"pant leg"/"scissor blade") doesn't render this a non-plurale tantum. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 01:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the same thing. "Pant" and "scissor" can't be used alone in the singular, but only as a compound such as a "pant leg" or a "scissor blade", but "firework" can be used alone in its singular form. You can't say "I have a pant" or "I have a scissor", but you can say "I have a firework" or "A firework failed to explode". Rreagan007 (talk) 21:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You can talk about a single firework or a firework display but you can also talk about a single pea or a bowel of peas. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weaker than average oppose - I actually do find the nominator's argument about how we often refer to individual fireworks case in the singular form just like with shoes and socks compelling. In fact those articles might be apt for a similar discussion. But I think King of Hearts also has a point about "fireworks" referring to the event. Furthermore, it appears that "fireworks" is both the default and WP:COMMONNAME for the devices. By default, I mean that it tends to be the most common word choice in situations where the number of fireworks is not specified. For example, "fireworks show", "fireworks store", "Benton fireworks disaster", "I'm going to shoot off fireworks", etc. Not to mention the fact that some individual fireworks cases (commonly referred to as "firework") like roman candles and fountains shoot more than one charge. Bneu2013 (talk) 22:31, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: I agree with Rreagan007's observation that "the plural form is certainly more common, but the singular is definitely used sometimes", but from this I reach the opposite conclusion: the article title should remain in the plural. BobKilcoyne (talk) 04:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per common name and the perception of what fireworks are (never heard of a singular firework, I guess it's one bottle rocket or something). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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