Talk:Humanistic education

Humanistic and humanism

Isn't this spelled "humanistic"? -- Goatasaur

I believe it is spelled humanist education. And I am very surprised to see humanist education connected to the beliefs or Steiner. I am developing a book on humanist education. I think a better introduction on the topic can be given by Wiel Veugeler and professor Aloni. See the book education and humanism at www.sensepublishers.com. First chapters are free downloadable. Humanist education is not similar to the method of Steiner and the beliefs are different. Since Steiner comes from a more spiritual background and humanism is based on autonomy, humanity and rationalist thinking. Thus really different. Gea Meijers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.30.47.175 (talk) 15:21, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the spelling of "humanistic" signifies a relationship to "Humanistic psychology" rather than humanism. I agree that the discussion of Steiner appears out of place and is not established by the references. -- Shunpiker (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Waldorf pedagogy doesn't stem from humanistic psychology, but incorporates the majority of its principles. It's important to clarify this distinction. hgilbert (talk) 17:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I've tried to address this with a better source. hgilbert (talk) 17:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Influence

I'm not sure influence is the best title for a section that describes school movements that predate Rogers and Maslow. They are parallel developments; could this be an alternative section title? hgilbert (talk) 20:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed that the chronology is confused, but I think this is due to the two different uses of "humanistic" within the article, one referring to the "humanistic education movement" which emerged in the 1970s, and one to "humanistic" or "holistic" approaches to education, which go back much further. I propose moving the parts of this article referring to the the school of thought rooted in Maslow and Rogers be moved to a separate article. Then, if there are enough reliable sources to establish an article about humanistic education in general, the article should be built out from those. In that case, it might do well to embrace the historical use of the term as well. Otherwise, it could be converted into a disambiguation page which would point to the various articles which describe the common uses of the term: humanistic education movement, holistic education, and humanities/humanism/liberal arts/etc. -- Shunpiker (talk) 19:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

We should discuss this further. Is the present usage of humanistic education really differentiated in this way? I have the impression that there has been a blending of approaches. From my very unscientific attempt to check this, through a Google-Scholar search on "Humanistic education" and "Humanistic education movement", I would say that (since about 1990) there is now rarely any attempt clearly to differentiate the Rogers/Maslow and other streams. At least since the 1990 edition, Britannica, similarly, refers to humanistic education simply as a return to the liberal tradition, mentioning Hutchins and Rogers as significant figures.

I can imagine a section on the narrower usage of humanistic education within the article on Humanistic psychology; based on the size on the present article's discussion of the Maslow/Rogers direction, it would fit easily here. Then this could remain a general article for the general use of the term.

I am comfortable with either solution, however. hgilbert (talk) 20:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

What was once the "Journal of Humanistic Education and Development" appears to have changed its name to "Journal of Humanistic Counseling and Development" at some time (when?). Does this again suggest that the educational side has been subsumed into a larger movement in education, or am I reading too much into this? hgilbert (talk) 20:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Possible lead revision for comment

Humanistic education in the narrower sense refers to an approach to education based on the work of humanistic psychologists, most notably Abraham Maslow and Carl Rogers. In the broader sense, it refers to a variety of approaches to education that seek to engage the whole person, including those founded on the work of Rudolf Steiner and Maria Montessori

In humanistic education, the intellect, feeling life, social capacities, artistic and practical skills are all important focuses for growth and development. Important objectives include developing children's self-esteem, ability to set and achieve appropriate goals, and development toward full autonomy.

hgilbert (talk) 01:16, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Steiner

I am concerned about the recent removal of Steiner as one of the founders of humanistic education. He did not merely "incorporate" some of the elements of humanism, as the page edit suggests; a great many of the humanistic elements embedded in Waldorf education are original with him. There were two solid citations for his significance as a founder of humanistic education. What justifies the removal?

• Timothy Leonard, Pedagogies of the Imagination: Mythopoetic Curriculum in Educational Practice, Springer 2008, p. 232
• R. C. S. Trahair, Utopias and Utopians: an historical dictionary, Greenwood Press, 1999, p. 348</ref>

We could add more citations if you like:

• Keith Sullivan, "Progressive Education: Where Are You Now That We Need You?", Oxford Review of Education, Vol. 22, No. 3 (Sep., 1996), pp. 349-355.
• Earl J. Ogletree, "Rudolf Steiner: Unknown Educator",The Elementary School Journal, Vol. 74, No. 6 (Mar., 1974), pp. 344-351
• Val D. Rust, "Education Reform: Who are the Radicals?", in Nelly P. Stromquist, Karen Monkman, Globalization and Education: Integration and Contestation Across Cultures, p. 70

If anything, the article should be considerably expanded to reflect the humanistic tradition pre-Adler. hgilbert (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

And:

• Sarah W. Foster, "An Introduction to Waldorf Education", The Clearing House, Vol. 57, No. 5 (Jan., 1984), pp. 228-230: "The Waldorf Schools offer an approach to humanistic education which has stood the test of time." hgilbert (talk) 15:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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