Talk:Professional wrestling

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The injuries and fatalities section seems misnamed. The title implies people have died either in the ring or as a result of professional wrestling. It cites the fact that Dusty Rhodes, Jimmy Snuka, Ultimate Warrior and Andre the Giantall died within 30 years of Wrestlemania 1990. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. If they died as a result of wrestling, the article in its current form doesn’t show it.

Theater vs Exhibition

I had not looked at Professional Wrestling Wiki section for an extremely long time, and I came across the theater language. I was going to change it from theater to "Athletic Exhibition" but decided that I may be accused of starting an editing war due to it being an opinion or personal distaste. The word exhibition has been used for years to describe Professional Wrestling in the context of being a sport, but with predetermined outcomes. Can we vote to change it? Cmy869 (talk) 21:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I oppose. An exhibition is just a staged match, but pro wrestling these days also has characters and storylines. It's theater. Kurzon (talk) 06:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

but its not talking about storylines promos or anything its just talking about the sport pro wrestling its gotta be changed 2603:B068:10A0:0:C942:A80E:578C:227C (talk) 19:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

but thats the business not the sport itself? there are other professional wrestling businesses which dont have scripts? Shedidd (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

The Injuries and fatalities section is fallacious.

The injuries and fatalities section seems misnamed. The title implies people have died either in the ring or as a result of professional wrestling. It cites the fact that Dusty Rhodes, Jimmy Snuka, Ultimate Warrior and Andre the Giantall died within 30 years of Wrestlemania 1990. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. If they died as a result of wrestling, the article in its current form doesn’t show it. 181.197.116.50 (talk) 10:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I considered removing that paragraph, but I let it remain in the hope that I could find scholarly sources supporting a link between wrestling and premature mortality. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 11:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I've done a first pass at fixing it up. There is a plethora of scholarship on this topic, and, in the long run, I feel this topic has a potential to eventually become a featured article, similar to Fighting in ice hockey. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 01:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Since the death of Chris Benoit in 2006, there has been extensive research conducted to investigate the link between professional wrestling and Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). If you use the search terms "Pro Wrestling" and "CTE" in a search engine, I imagine you'd be able to gather quite a lot of material that would start you off on the right foot.

More specifically, former professional wrestler, now neuroscientist Christopher Nowinski is another item you should place in a search engine. Nowinski has very specifically scientifically researched the dangers of professional wrestling on the human body. CeltBrowne (talk) 07:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

If anyone needs a gruesome, direct example of the danger of professional wrestling to justify the subsection I have one for you. One of the biggest stars of professional wrestling in Japan, Mitsuharu Misawa, died in the ring as direct result of a wrestling manoeuvrer and the long-term effects of professional wrestling on his body. This is covered in Mitsuharu Misawa#Death.

While quality of the subsection can and should be improved, the point Professional wrestling#Occupational hazards is making is correct: There are very real hazards and dangers encountered by professional wrestlers during their performances that can injury, or in the most extreme of cases, kill them. CeltBrowne (talk) 07:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

"Atheltic theatre"

In an earlier discussion, I accepted that the adjective "athletic" could apply to professional wrestling as a type of theatre if you stretch the definition a little, but do we really need that word there? It's fairly obvious, and little superfluous. Kurzon (talk) 05:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's superfluous – it illustrates why pro wrestling is different to regular, traditional theatre. The athleticism of pro wrestling is a vital part of the genre; the adjective (which is well sourced, mind) illustrates that.

Respectfully, I think it's time to drop this. There was a lot discussion over this one word previously, and you've edit warred to remove it more recently. It's an accurate adjective – why does this one word vex you this much? I would not be the first person to mention WP:OWN. — Czello ^(music) 11:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Theatre in the traditional sense is not athletic. Wrestling being a heavily athletic form of theatre makes it unique in the world of theatre, and thus warrants the elaboration. You "accepting" something is grand, and certainly not the aim of anyone's editing. You do not own the article. Perhaps spend some time editing other articles rather than terrorizing the editors who contribute to this one -- as if your approval is needed in order to let an edit remain. It absolutely is not. Cheers! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 20:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)