Talk:Saturday-morning cartoon

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I began to clean up this article because of spelling mistakes and some wikification needs, but it's so POV as to be not worth fixing. If we're going to keep it, it really needs to be rewritten. -- Zoe

There is a link for children's television show. Perhaps the information here can be integrated into that article? -- Two Halves

I just took a crack at it. If you like it, maybe we can make this page a redirect. -lee 06:07, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I like the idea of having an article on Saturday morning cartoons; I vote for coming up with a rewrite, not merging. This is in serious need of an overhaul, though - the "Criticisms" section in particular is so intensely POV it's laughable. Ideally someone who knowsmore about animation than I do needs to have a go at it; if nobody else does, though, I'll see what I can come up with. 207.142.131.243 11:39, 9 Jul 2005 (CST)

I am an animator (making TV commercials), and I don't think it's so bad... The term "Saturday morning cartoon" is well established (it is also a slightly derogative term) so it really deserves an entry of its own. The section "Criticism" is indeed POV, but isn't all criticism POV by definition? --Janke | Talk 23:07:54, 2005-09-04 (UTC)

I'm adding a network schedule list but it's going to take awhile. -- Mikintosh

America

They have Saturday morning cartoons in other countries too. I dont know why the article says it refers to cartoons in America. A rewrite would need to solve this problem. Kierenj 10:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I just want to know why nobody added the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!

Yes, although this article did help to clear up some confusion I had about the apparent dissaperance of Saturday morning cartoons in North America (Canada presumably being due to similar factors as the U.S) I would still like too know more about the history and current status of this in other countries. For example I remember CITV-TV in Edmonton used to have a great line up prior to Global buying it. A-Channel also had a great lineup prior to its downfall and purchase by CHUM Limited. CTV also had some programming, which today is limited to OWL/TV and The Littlest Hobo. The spooky thing is CBC Television seems to be the only option, and in fact appears to have expanded its Saturday morning programming. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Klingoncowboy4 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

I was just about to say this, how the heck does Saturday Morning Cartoon refer to just America? Here in the UK, the BBC and CiTV have been having the Saturday morning cartoon war for years. It was a question of whether you watched SMTV or Live and Kicking. This artical seriously needs a massive rewrite.194.81.189.20 (talk) 11:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The article is discussing the specific phenomenon of the large blocks of animation that used to be aired on the American networks on Saturday mornings and became a significant cultural factor in their own right. The British Saturday morning output was historically different - magazine format shows that combined a few cartoons with lots of live features in a studio such as phone-ins, games, comedy, competitions, live music, live action fiction and so forth. Both SMTV Live and Live & Kicking were later examples of these. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Three hours?

Is the three hour requirement of educational children's programming per day or per week? Probably should be stated in the article. --Drmike 20:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes Drmike , there is a 3 hour education requirement for that network/ block that that are airing. panicpack121 18:56, 26 March, 2010 (UTC)

To Drmike : It's 3 hours per week, on average. If there's a week where sports or other programming means you can only air 2 hours of E/I one week, you can air 4 the next week to make up the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.24.166 (talk) 16:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

QUBO

Why was the info about QUBO not brought over here when the two pages were merged? There was a ton of info on QUBO, the VeggieTales controversy and the current lineup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.43.129 (talk) 15:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, and why are the NBC Kids shows (all but one) being ignored as "cartoons" on Saturday mornings?

75.162.179.246 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:18, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@98.16.43.129 I don't know a lot about Qubo, but maybe they are doing this as the info (the majority of it) is irrelevant or unknown. HasbroSaban (talk) 02:20, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

References

A number of phrases in this article really need references:

1. In the intro para: This genre is often referred to by its critics as "illustrated radio" (a term coined by Chuck Jones), because of its focus on voice performances, music, and sound effects over animation and visual quality. Any phrase coined by a such a famous person needs to be attributed.
2. The entire Watchgroup backlash section makes claims which need citations.

There are some others which raise my eyebrows, but those really struck me when I read the text. Yngvarr 19:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The whole 'Watchgroup Backlash' section is completely POV. I don't know what to do with it. It lists what topics/themes cartoons were limited to and then lists almost every cartoon while leaving out many more. This section should perhaps be moved somewhere else or deleted entirely unless citations can be found.MiltonP Ottawa (talk) 12:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Central Time?

The introduction says that central time is an hour earlier than eastern time. Central time is an hour later. I didn't edit because I wasn't sure if I am simply misunderstanding the paragraph. If I am misunderstanding, perhaps it needs to be clarified. Jcsavestheday (talk) 05:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I think this is referring to the TV schedules - eastern and central get the same signal so the time on the home clock in central is an hour earlier than in eastern. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Canceled, out of production or both (lede sentence)

Final sentence of lede:

• ...though most programs at this time were repeats of Saturday morning shows that were already cancelled, out of production or both.

Since the refs for this sentence date back at least 8 years (the other is 13 years old) I am a bit confused: how can a canceled show still be in production? If it is no longer in production is it not canceled? One does not equal the other? 71.234.215.133 (talk) 07:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Decline section a mess

There are twenty-one reasons listed for the decline of Saturday morning cartoons with only three meaningful citations. To the casual observer -- me -- it gives the impression that 1) we have no idea why they stopped, 2) there are so many reasons that no reason is meaningful on its own, or 3) lots of different editors have lots of different pop culture grudges. It seems like that section should be narrowed down to known reasons or removed, if there are no real known reasons. Right now, it feels like guesswork, at best. 71.191.76.194 (talk) 15:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Saturday-morning cartoon → Saturday morning cartoon – The dash doesn't belong between "Saturday" and "morning". --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC) AdamDeanHall (talk) 18:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• Comment (leaning toward oppose): I don't see anything wrong with the hyphen. It seems appropriate to form a compound modifier, per WP:HYPHEN. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Incidentally, as a remark to the nominator, that's a hyphen, not a dash. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Slight oppose - makes sense to me. A dash would be wrong. Red Slash 02:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per MOS:HYPHEN #3. The nonhyphenated "Saturday morning cartoon" redirects here, so there doesn't appear to be a problem. Deor (talk) 13:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Correct writing. Coreyemotela (talk) 20:32, 15 May 2014 (UTC).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The Saturday morning cartoons started in late 1960.

Please watch the YouTube video and that will explain why the Saturday morning cartoons had been around for five and a half decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiGDxuNL0Bg AdamDeanHall (talk) 23:49, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Video is unavailable anymore as I am looking at it, probably due to deletion of channel. :( Timbo303 (talk) 02:58, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Light TV

With regards to Light TV I looked up the tv schedule for it on the TitanTV website , and the WPWR-TV station 50.3 has the shows listed currently in the schedule which is definitely going to be the schedule they are using however the station isn't actually operating yet. That's where I found that they are airing the cartoons 1 hour before it should be aired which matches the eastern time zone. Also currently for some weird reason, 50.3 has the escape affiliate from 60.3, this is due to the fact channel 60 uses the frequency 50 and channel 50 uses the frequency of 51 so it is somehow picking it up instead as there's no official affiliate on 50.3 until Light TV which is coming up. That only works on some tvs for some reason, but luckily it will be fixed when Light TV starts airs in Chicago. Another thing mentioning is due to that problem, the tv guide has the text in Spanish but in reality is an English station because of the fact channel 60 and channel 50 are mixed up if channel 60 has a subchannel slot that channel 50 doesn't. That should be fixed making the info I put in there more reliable. If there's another affiliate doing the same thing as Chicago, please feel free to add it in since it would take forever to do each one. It is already accurate to say this is a Saturday morning cartoon block but with E/I cartoons. Also, WPWR-TV currently has the CW affiliate which is owned by Fox which is why the nonsense in the scheduling of the cartoons happened for this affiliate only, which I kind of don't mind at all since it gives the children 1 extra hour of playing and they are able to wake up early. If you are wondering, I am from Chicago which is why I know about this. Something also to mention is I can't list that specific website as the cite your sources thing since it varies from person to person but is still considered a source if you look up tv guide for specific areas using zip codes for those areas so there's some help there if you are wondering. Timbo303 (talk) 02:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

References

Animation companies that survived the decline

The paragraph starts with this sentence: Animation companies survived by shifting their resources: adult-oriented cartoons. This is misleading and contradicts a previous edit which included the loss of many animation companies as part of the reason for the decline. Hanna Barbera, Filmation, Ruby-Spears, DIC, Sunbow, and others who were known for prolific output during the 70s and 80s and partially into the 90s. Animation was expensive and they relied on advertisers dollars for their funds. These came mostly from toy and breakfast cereal companies. Once the sanctions against youth-targeted advertising were established, they lost their major means of funding. They either folded completely or got merged into bigger corporations where they became little more than assets. Note how many times the Filmation properties have switched owners since they went out of buisness.

The companies that started producing adult-oriented animation (and have been since the 90s) are products of the new generation of companies. Cartoon Network Studios is one of these. Another is Warner Brothers Animation which got a total makeover so that it could father the DCAU. It might as well be a completely different company from the one that produced Looney Tunes. Shows like Family Guy, King of the Hill, and other adult animated shows were created by specific producers for specific Network (Fox in this case) and used overseas animation companies, which is where the majority of animation for American shows is done today. Mr. ATOZ (talk) 20:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. ATOZ (talk • contribs) 20:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)