Talk:Juan Pablo Montoya

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SSSB (talk) 11:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Importance of British Grand Prix and Italian Grand Prix[edit]

We know those ones are the older grands Prix on formula one calendar, however they are not considered the marquee events of Formula one officially (although in the mind of many the form the "classics" of the formula one calendar: British at silverstone, Italian at monza, Belgian at spa, the old german grand prix at the ring, the japanese at Suzuka. This particular driver did not win all of those).

The Long Beach, and the Indy500 are marquee events for Indycar, but really f1 has only the one marquee event, the monaco gp.

I think the italian, and British Grands prix references should be removed from the lead as they are not widely recognizable as belonging to the "top" races in the world. 181.51.32.187 (talk) 18:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The interesting thing about Montoya (What defines him as a driver) is that he managed to succeed on both sides of the Atlantic, something this article completely FAILS to clarify. Montoya is often remembered only because of his 7 wins in F1. That's so unfair!,  only 6 years of his career.
People in Europe are always thinking that only de FIA championships, and races are important. So Scott Dixon, or Helio Castroneves are not good drivers because they didn't race on F1? because they raced in Long Beach and not in Silverstone? under this logic Jenson Button is a better driver than Scott Dixon? no way! Dale Earnhardt doesn't even exist in your "European World"?
Montoya cannot even count all his important wins together.. For example an F1 driver wins 20 races over 15 years on F1.. the 20 wins are considered important, his achievements..
well.. lets see.. Montoya's  case, he has these accomplishments:
These to me are his important wins (Not counting podiums = do the Podiums and you'll have something very interesting)
7 F1 wins
14 Champcar/IndyCar wins
6 GrandAm/IMSA wins
2 Nascar (sprint Cup) wins
that's 29 important races (I would add his victory at lmp2 pro am at lemans, that makes 30 important wins, no only 7.  30 mayor races)
on these wins you even have:
1 Mónaco gpx
2 Indy 500 wins
3 Daytona 24h wins
1 lemans 24h win (lmp2 pro am)
that makes 7 iconic victories
Not to mention... 3 Championships
1 Champcar/Indy Championship
1 Imsa weathertech Championship
1 F2/F3000 Championship
plus
1 Oval Championship (Indy)
other wins
10 F2/F3000 wins
1 Nascar Nationwide win
then..
in Europe
7 wins F1
10 wins F3000/F2
1 win at lemans (lmp2 pro am)
1 F2/F3000 Championship
2 times 3rd on F1 Championship
In America
14 Champcar/IndyCar wins
6 GrandAm/IMSA wins
2 Nascar (sprint Cup) wins
1 Champcar/Indy Championship
1 Imsa weathertech Championship
1 Oval Championship (Indy)
1 Time runner-up Indy Championship
with
2 Indy 500 wins
3 Daytona 24h wins 181.55.155.218 (talk) 05:42, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
f1 has only the one marquee event, the monaco gp - not true. The Monaco GP is the equivilant of the Indy 500. The British and Italian Grands Prix are the equivilant of Long Beach.

I completely reject the notion that this article is Euro-centric. The majority of this article covers what he did in American. The majority of the infobox covers his career in American and the majority of the lead covers his career in America.

I'm not saying it's perfect - but to suggest it is Euro-centric is absurd. SSSB (talk) 09:03, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lemans 2021[edit]

His accomplishments of this year 2021 at lmp2 pro am, are diminished, listed as only on the general classification, but they were 1st on their class at lemans. And they still have the chance to win the lmp2 pro am championship. 181.55.155.218 (talk) 03:12, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We show his general classification result, class result and sub-class results in Juan Pablo Montoya#Complete FIA World Endurance Championship results. Or do you have an issue with another part of the article?
SSSB (talk) 07:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You have a table where you listed his category as LMP2 Pro Am, and he finished 10th at Lemans? why? on this category he finished 1st not 10th. If you deliberately specify the "Category" and "Sub Class" then specify the correct result. 181.55.155.218 (talk) 12:03, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, this is a case of the table incorrectly idnetifying his class as LMP2 Pro-Am, where as this is a sub-category. The class (keeping consistency with above rows) is simply LMP2. I have now corrected this. SSSB (talk) 12:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SSSB you are completely Biased. you just dont want to accept he won on lmp2 pro am Category/Sub class, and you find any way to put an asterisk on his win. I can send you a picture of the podium if you want. 181.55.155.218 (talk) 12:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not dening anything, nor am I biased. Don't make claims you can't back-up. I am going out of my way to compromise here, rather than just say "this is the accpeted convention". The table shows he was 15th in the overall classification, 10th in LMP2 and a note indicates he won LMP2 Pro-Am. I've made an attempt at a compromise at Juan Pablo Montoya#Complete 24 Hours of Le Mans results. Or would you like another pair of rows for the LMP2 Pro-Am sub-class. SSSB (talk) 14:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Perrodo like this article there are like 150 more where the drivers are listed on the tables as winners "1st" with a yellow square meaning "first" I will make a compilation for you SSSB so you please be so gentle to correct all those articles that are wrong and not according to your standard of adjusting to the number of arrival in the race. After all we all want that Wikipedia is "Objective" and not for re-writing history... I will come again here with the list of articles to review. 181.55.155.218 (talk) 17:49, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
eben you have a table in the Championship he is competing at the moment (LMP2 pro/am) where he has been on the podium of his subclass in all races in 2021. Spa he was 3rd you listed him as 7th, Portimao he was 2nd you listed him as 8th even the race initials are wrong on your table. Monza, he was 2nd, you listed him as 6th Leman he was 1st you listed him as 10th. So your tables for the WEC are deliberately edited on your own criteria. He is competing on lmp2 pro am for your information. 181.55.155.218 (talk) 18:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He is competing in both LMP2 class and the LMP2 Pro-Am sub-class (i.e. he could be declared outright LMP2 Champion). The results table show his results for the LMP2 classification and this is made very clear in the class column (where it says "LMP2", not "LMP2 Pro-Am"). With regards to your François Perrodo example, allpying that here would produce: Special:Permalink/1044059288. Because the class is LMP2, LMP2 Pro-Am is a sub-class. That it why I suggested doing this: Special:Permalink/1044059911 in the last sentence of my edit on 14:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC) (my last comment before this one). SSSB (talk) 10:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

do whatever you want man.. it's a lost case with you. 181.55.155.218 (talk) 05:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

please add a single table to lmp2 pro.am to be fair. 181.55.155.218 (talk) 10:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A dedicated table would be WP:undue, but I will add a row to the existing table for LMP2 Pro-Am. SSSB (talk) 10:13, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Tennis injury" urban legend?[edit]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that JPM actually injured himself in a dirtbike crash, and that the "tennis injury" was merely a cover given as the official story. 194.207.183.182 (talk) 14:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Career results[edit]

I'm surprised that there's no career results section on his page...Anybody on it? 24.201.79.253 (talk) 13:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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