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Pronounced

Is it pronounced eerie or airy? -- Tim Starling 13:32 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

It's "eerie"...or at least, I have never heard it pronounced any other way. Adam Bishop 13:46 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you think that's article-worthy? I certainly wouldn't have known it otherwise. -- Tim Starling 13:54 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I guess so...how do you put pronunciations in though? With the SAMPA symbols? Adam Bishop 14:00 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

eerie Pizza Puzzle

I fixed the pronunciation. If you said it as it was written before, it would sound like "Ih-uh-reee". I'm pretty sure it sounds right, now. --132.161.137.1 (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

If it's "eerie", this should be /'ɪəri/, not /iri/. Lfh (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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It was the last of the Great Lakes discovered by the French explorers, who had followed rivers from Lake Erie into Lake Huron. This doesn't seem right. And should we mention lampreys as well as zevra mussels? Wetman 06:08, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)

dimensions

I was hoping to find the SIZE of the lake here, how about adding width & length as well as depth... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.20.252 (talk • contribs)

Where the page gives the surface area of the lake in acres, it is wrong. It is far more than 470,000 acres. By comparison, the Allegheny National Forest is about a half-million acres, so if the figure of 470,000 were correct, Erie should be smaller than the ANF, but anyone can look at a map and see that is not so. This erroneous information is sourced; however, the source is probably listing only the acres of the lake claimed by the state of Pennsylvania. Whoever sourced that was not a careful researcher. Earlier in the article, the size of the lake is given as 9,940 square miles. Since a square mile is 640 acres, the correct acreage is 6,361,600.

Traffic

Erie carries more ship traffic than other Great Lake, & has more shipwrecks on the bottom as a consequence. Trekphiler 00:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

I noticed some vandalism on the top bit. I'm not sure who to edit this, so I'm just trying to get soemone who does and show it to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.30.45 (talk • contribs)

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This is all fake!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.87.45 (talk • contribs)

Renomination?

I think this article could be put up for renomination as a featured article. The reasons for its failing nomination have taken care of over the course of the year after it failed. Dtbohrer 16:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Shoreline

Can someone update it? I deleted the previous information as it was copied by mistake from Lake Superior. Chagai (talk) 05:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Earthquakes

ur right the lake doesnt cuz earthquakes just the salt mines and lake floor and everything associated with the lake causes the quakes

ill be more specific when i add it back in —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedarpointohio2 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Many of the reference links are dead

The links to the EPA and Michigan DNR are dead. When I found the DNR link it was dataless and promotional. Why is there a big article about lake michigan coho in there? Aren't there any Lake Erie specific history of fishing articles? There are also several links to secondary literature sources that are interesting but derived. There should be much better links for lake effect snow available. Avram Primack (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

geology

thanks for moving my paragraphs into this, its better then "prehistoric". Each of the lakes have a name, lake warren, before that lake wayne, lake maumee, lake lundy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsinger123 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Good article on Great Lakes levels

Lynch, Jim, November 08. 2010 Low Great Lakes levels prompt new call for action: U.S., Canada look at options to slow flow out of Lake Huron Detroit News. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

Revamp -- seeking ideas for improvement

This article is on the list of Wikiproject United States -- as a focus for attention. If people following this article have ideas about improvement, or sources, or angles to study, please write about them. How could this be a better article? What is omitted that should be covered? Please share your thoughts and we'll use your comments during the revamp, thanks. --Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

A tentative draft of the revamp is (removed; revamp => article). If interested, please have a look-over; I appreciate comments and suggestions.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

This was one of the articles selected by Wikiproject United States for an upgrade. I waited about a day after posting the revamp, and heeded suggestions from a Wikiproject Canada contributor. This new version -- I kept previous information almost entirely (occasionally I copyedited it but preserved it as much as I could). Previous stuff may be in different locations (comparing versions may obscure this -- but it's usually there.) I pretty much kept the original outline. I added pictures. But I'm probably pretty much done with this article for a bit so please feel free to improve it further.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, looking good. Some observations -it'd be nice to give this one a shove over the GA line...Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• I think the Islands section would be better as a concise paragraph talking about total number, largest ones, characteristics, in fact the material from the Lake Erie Islands article, which I believe should be converted to a list and the list from here placed there.

 Done.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Critter scientfic names are in italics. Also good for most folks to read teh common names

 Done mostly (possibly some critters still there, hiding in the article). That snakehead fish -- would love to get a picture of that mouth, with teeth, looking wonderfully kissable.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• In general, you wanna avoid being too colloquial in articles - e.g. It's for it is, They're for they are etc. (unabbreviated better)

 Done mostly. It's --> It is; they're --> they are--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• Need to have the photo of the chick with the bikini in the infobox just kidding. Maybe it is time to set up a proper Peer Review for this page, 'specially if it has some momentum happening. However I dislike having two places rather than one to discuss things. I will ask some folks to chuck in a few comments and consider this an informal peer review...Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
• The Lake environment has alot of subsections making for somewhat choppy reading. I'd think about combining a few. Also the order is a little odd - eg Eutrophication comes after The infamous dead zone, which seems odd as the former segues naturally into the latter. I'd switch and combine into one section. I'd combine all the animals into a fauna section too.

 Done somewhat. Moved eutrophication so it flows into infamous dead zone. Still need to combine subsections somehow; not sure which ones. Still need to combine animals in fauna.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• I'd place the info on Lake Erie Monster into some sorto of folklore section. Maybe with other local legends and (?) any indian symbolism (??)

 Done.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• The other annoying thing about writing these big articles is trying to avoid repetition - I noticed this when trying to find out what wild hyacinth was, and found there were two sets of similar passages on Pelee Island. So, the trick is here to try and reduce repetition - so maybe moving all the ecological info to the first mention, and focussing on tourism aspects in second...and also finding what "wild hyacinth" should link to. Ditto yellow horse gentian nevermind that one, made a stub at Triosteum angustifolium...and the snakes.

Agree fully. When I did the revamp, I didn't want to remove any of the original material in deference to prior contributors, and I kept the original structure. But as a result the article has become somewhat unwieldy, and repetitious in points, and needs better organization, so I encourage people to take charge and improve it along these lines. I'm working on other projects at the moment so I may not be able to give lots of time to this, but I encourage people interested to improve it. Unfortunately some of the uploaded pictures (from Flickr) keep getting deleted (wrong license possibly? I have trouble understanding this stuff), but that's that I suppose.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I am sure there will be loads of perfectly good free images to use for this article. Yeah, we are all juggling stuff (check my contribs too....) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

• Port section needs updating, references improvements scheduled to start in 2010.

• Propose combining sections 5.4-5.7 into a Transportation category. 5.8 on border crossing could potentially also be included. Russty11 (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Similar Topic/Hello

Hello, my name is Austin Gaines. I am a freshman at Clemson Universtiy and am doing a wikipedia page on a similar topic, a lake in SC called Lake Keowee. Are there any tips you can give me about what information I can put on my page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionel555 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Wikipedia has a learning curve -- it takes a bit of time to learn its procedures & customs. If you don't know what you're doing and try to float a new article, it may get deleted. General suggestion from me to you is work on current articles, watch what happens, and get feedback. If you need help, write me on my talk page.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Fathoms?

What is with all the archaic units? Maybe hands and cubits would also be interesting?41.74.219.64 (talk) 08:59, 3 August 2013 (UTC) baden

Hmmm. Can't fathom what is with that without the discussion getting too deep.-Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Tourist hype and quotefarmism

I've removed a bit of excessive use of quotes from news sources which were simply promotional in tone - for example: although it can get "pretty darned cold on those piers" just isn't good wording for an encyclopedia. Another bit removed was a short section entitled: Towns along the lake which consisted solely of:

A New York Times reporter, biking through the region in 1997, found the Ontario town of Port Stanley to be the "prettiest of the port towns" with a lively "holiday air" but no "ticky-tacky commercialism".<ref name=twsX18/>

as I see that as purely promotional especially under the heading of tourism.
Another longish quote was under the section Windy conditions

The notion that bird and bat migration may be hurt by the wind turbines has been used to argue against the wind turbines: a reporter in The Globe and Mail wrote "Given the tendency of turbines to make mincemeat of things airborne, it doesn’t require great imagination to figure out what would happen."[61] There were descriptions of wind turbines built in a farm near the lake shore:

They loom like gigantic aliens invading the farmers’ fields. There are 66 of these creatures, each about as tall as a 25-storey building with a face comprised of three enormous whiskers rotating 11 to 20 times per minute. Standing amidst the wind turbines of Erie Shore Wind Farm, one feels like a doomed character in a sci-fi movie caught in the deathly still moment just before disaster strikes.

—reporter Rebecca Field Jager in the Weekend Post, 2010[64]

which came of as rather a bit of pov pushing and could better be rewritten in encyclopediac tone. Those were but two examples. Vsmith (talk) 20:59, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

(copied from talk page)

I realize you're having a good time chopping this article to bits, but please realize that I and others worked hard to make it interesting, well-referenced, and informative, and what had been a highly readable and accurate article is, in my view, rapidly becoming a sterile piece of junk. My sense is you're deleting the best material, those great quotes which make the whole story come to life. Please remember Lake Erie is not simply about water and geology but about many other aspects to it too.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Quotefarm comes to mind. Quite a bit of what I've removed was simply tourist hype - including many of the excess quotes. Seems this is an encyclopedia and not a tourist brochure. And how wasalthough it can get "pretty darned cold on those piers" good encyclopedia language? (- just to list one minor item as an example). Vsmith (talk) 20:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I have trouble seeing how anybody could see this article as a tourist brochure; cited quotes are a legitimate way of conveying information. My concern is that you're butchering a well-referenced and interesting article and turning it into a dry slab of boring prose. The words "pretty darned cold on those piers" is what somebody said, and said in a way which is highly informative and readable; it is much more descriptive than simply saying the lake was just cold. The article used to have terrific descriptions of wind turbines that could make "mincemeat of things airborne" that looked like "giant aliens invading farmers' fields". Now, they're just turbines. Snore. There was a photo showing beach erosion; now there's none. You chopped it. There was a terrific photo of the snakehead fish that could "bite your entire hand off" and that could move across land "gulping air". You chopped that. There was colorful stuff about difficulties with crossing the lake, dealing with passport issues; chopped. The quote about the walleye limit was chopped. Fish that looks ugly but tastes great -- similarly interesting stuff. The excellent story about the ice fishermen being stranded on a large chunk of ice -- this is great stuff, interesting, referenced, important for ice fishermen to know lest it happen to them again. The quote about the diving community considering Lake Erie to be "world class" -- divers would like to know this stuff. You took out the turtle-crossing sign. The Put-in-Bay crowds with "red bucket hats" -- why did you take that out? The quote from the NYTimes reporter about a pretty town in Ontario you removed. Seems like the BEST STUFF you've been chopping willy nilly, chopping with their references too, and leaving in pretty much all the boring stuff which we have to keep in, as if you deliberately would not like people to learn about and read about Lake Erie.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

a photo showing beach erosion: hmm, was that the one of the girl in a bikini and a guy lying on a rock in the background: this one? Where is the erosion? Vsmith (talk) 21:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe that image could be canned, but the rest of your deletions leaves me scratching my head.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

No map?

The article's lack of a modern map indicating the lake's geographical features (islands, bays, etc.) and surrounding cities is a curious omission. For that matter, there is not such a map accompanying any of the main articles for the five Great Lakes. Starling2001 (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Jet Express Ferry

There are some sources out there, but probably not enough to justify the subject having its own article. Adam9007 (talk) 22:14, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems someone was working on getting some more sources. As it's a company, I would agree with note on the other talk page to not delete it. There should be a link on this page under Ferries, however. Russty11 (talk) 13:15, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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Lake's Bill of Rights per Toledo

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/politics/2019/02/26/Lake-Erie-Bill-of-Rights-gets-approval-from-Toledo-voters/stories/20190226159
Worth a mention? Mapsax (talk) 16:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Tide at Lake Erie?

Is there a (very? (small?)) tide at Lake Erie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.186.194.122 (talk) 10:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Erie Canal?

Very surprised not to see a word about the Erie Canal in the history section. First high-speed connection between the East coast and the Prairies. Valetude (talk) 23:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Intro to Information Technology

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F to C

Centigrades are not correct in this article. Anything below 32F is negative in centigrades. This article translates two <32F degrees to positive (not freezing) centigrades: "18 °F (10 °C) to 23 °F (13 °C)" 18F is -7.7C and 23F is -5C. 208.191.221.220 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

It's a range of temperature, not a conversion of temperature. So a change of weather where the temperatures declines between 18 and 23 degrees Farenheit or 10 to 13 degrees Celsius results in lake effect snow. Llammakey (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)