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On 14 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to ADHD. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Overkill[edit]

The article currently looks like an instance of ref-WP:OVERKILL. Just in the top section, there are sentences with:

5 sources
8 sources
4 sources (×4)
6 sources

I think we should consider trimming some sources, but if the sources are all deemed useful and should be kept, then perhaps we should look at bundling the references. Kimen8 (talk) 21:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the belated reply. From my perspective, we can certai,ly bundle the references this way pertaining to:

"ADHD symptoms arise from executive dysfunction". Citation 7 may be subsumed to 6, citation 9 to 8 and citations 10, 11 and 12 to 13; resulting in these three primary references, which, in my opinion, hold most relevance.
"ADHD represents the extreme lower end of..." can have citation 20 subsumed to 18 while leaving the rest.
"Genetic factors play an important role..." can have citation 39 subsumed to 37, citations 36 and 38 to 34 thereby distinguishing 3.

Feel free to mention if any references should be removed rather than amalgamated with others. Be well. ~~~~ Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 22:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

missing/unclear reference? (suicide risk chapter)[edit]

sorry, I'm new to this whole Wikipedia editor/talk page poster thing so excuse me if I don't do this right.

I'm reading through, and got to the suicide risk chapter(?) and am wondering where these numbers are from? " the prevalence of suicide attempts in individuals with ADHD was 18.9%, compared to 9.3% in individuals without ADHD."

I'm personally looking for general worldwide attempt percentage, but I cannot find anything else past this.

thank you :> Mteaseil (talk) 03:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

source is dogshit for ephedrine and pseudoephedrine[edit]

the original paper literally has a single sentence with ZERO fucking citations. ZERO!

Claim is unverified and should be deleted. CDLLBOSS (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, where? Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 03:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request[edit]

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Regarding te paragraph under "Epidemiology" that reads:

"Due to disparities in the treatment and understanding of ADHD between caucasian and non-caucasian populations, many non-caucasian children go undiagnosed and unmedicated. It was found that within the US that there was often a disparity between caucasian and non-caucasian understandings of ADHD. This led to a difference in the classification of the symptoms of ADHD, and therefore, its misdiagnosis. It was also found that it was common in non-caucasian families and teachers to understand the symptoms of ADHD as behavioural issues, rather than mental illness."

'Caucasian' and 'non-Caucasian' should be edited to the proper capitalizations. Crextorbium (talk) 22:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you. QuietCicada chirp 00:37, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Causes[edit]

Certain nutritional deficiencies are known to be associated with ADHD, yet none of these are mentioned. Drsruli (talk) 21:06, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No nutritional deficiency ‘causes’ ADHD. The only associations that have been indicated include a) weak evidence suggesting exposure to specific artificial food colourants leads to a very small exacerbation of symptoms in a small subset of people with ADHD and b) a significant zinc deficiency may slightly and indirectly worsen symptoms in some. But none of these are causal of the disorder, nor are they robust findings or lead to significant adverse effects in individual patients.

See the International Consensus Statement on ADHD for references. Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 23:40, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ADHD is a set of symptoms that may be predicated by a nutritional deficiency. (An absence of certain nutrients can certainly make concentration difficult.) This is elsewhere alluded to in the article. Just not in the ‘causes’ section. (And aside from zinc, an associated magnesium deficiency has also been found in some cases, resolving with correction.) There has been much research into the possibility of deficiency of certain nutrients during development. The research should be mentioned. Drsruli (talk) 07:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead size[edit]

Currently the WP:LEAD contains about 10 paragraphs, which is too lengthy (MOS:LEADLENGTH). The lead should contain the most important information and leave the details/elaborations to the body. Димитрий Улянов Иванов, please do not extend the lead any further. If you want to add something, add it to the body under the respective subheading.

The leads needs to be trimmed to 4-5 paragraphs. --WikiLinuz (talk) 02:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for notifying me. I will review as soon as time permits. Be well Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 02:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typo in paragraph 3[edit]

“...they may be to maintain an unusually prolonged level of attention...” should probably be: ”...they may be able to maintain an unusually prolonged level of attention...” Viewpoint2927 (talk) 11:37, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done --WikiLinuz (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool recent discovery; first ADHD reference found in 1753[edit]

Not sure where this can be placed, but the first reference to ADHD can now be pushed back in the medical literature to a Latin text in 1753 by Dutch physician Cornelius Kloekhof, describing a condition closely resembling ADHD. The previously first known references were by Adam Weikard (1770-75) and Alexander Crichton (1798) who describes both an ADHD and CDS-like disorders of attention. See: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10870547241238926 Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 20:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that methylphenidate is actually effective. Remove the claims.[edit]

A comprehensive Cochrane review: https://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h5203.short found very low certainty that Ritalin is more effective than placebo. Cochrane is the GOLD STANDARD for evidence. So, effectiveness of stimulants is actually unknown, contrary to the edits by Димитрий Улянов Иванов. 2A00:23C8:A821:8D01:95ED:5D0C:6FE:FD84 (talk) 20:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate your effort to criticise with the scientific literature, the meta-analysis you cited is seriously flawed. For details, see Banaschewski et al. (2016), Cortese et al. (2016) and Hoekstra et al. (2016) Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 21:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]