Talk:Anglophile

Dictionary

This seems a better candidate for a Dictionary--Tydaj 17:18, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Sweetfreek 22:45, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I disagree, there is much more that could be written on this. Not a candidate for a dictionary.

It still looks like a dictionary entry to me, and it's a over year since Tydaj's comment. Dancarney 10:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Dittophbbt107 22:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Antisemitism

What does this have to do with antisemitism? Bastie 02:25, 17 September 2005 (UTC) ewer

Stanley Kubrick

"And although he never confessed to being an anglophile it can be claimed that Stanley Kubrick was a noted one." - could somebody please add some justification for this claim? --Idont Havaname 17:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Examples of Anglophiles - references? or just an editor's POV?

Have the people on our unofficial "list of Anglophiles" actually said that they are Anglophiles, or is that just POV interpretations? Please give references. Also, is it necessary to have a list? Asiaphile doesn't have any such list. --Idont Havaname 23:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Agree these all seem random? Maybe celebrities that have homes in England, doesn’t make them an Anglophile though 207.237.224.186 (talk) 15:03, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Celts/Irish

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a "Celtophile" (or something to that effect)? Obviosly it wouldn't be "Celtophile" but someone who loves Ireland would be called what? Lady Eowyn

"celtophile": 27,000 Google hits

"hibernophile": 260 Google hits (the top hit is Wikipedia) - 12 Feb 2006

Im not sure "Celtophile" would be suitable (for one thing not all Irish are decended from Celts. Celts were not even the first people in Ireland. They were just one of many groups who invaded/settled on the island. Besides what has this got to do with Angliphiles (unless of course one is a Celtic Anglophile !) 80.229.222.48 15:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Does Anglophile also refer to those who like all of Great Britain in general? 71.136.240.129 23:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I would say it refers to people who like the United Kinddom (not just Great Britain) in general and England in particular but it really depends on context. If one used the term in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland it would be referring to someone with a particular attachment to England 80.229.222.48 16:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

sources

Is there a source for any of this or does any American celebrity who moves to London qualify as an Anglophile?

Why not? According to Wikipedia any of the following qualifies one as "Irish-American":

• has what sounds like or is believed to be an Irish surname
• is or may be Catholic
• has green eyes or ginger hair - or even better, both
• has drunk Guinness and (pretended?) to like it
• has been spotted wearing green on or around 17 March
• is actually British but is too popular to dislike or disregard
• once played an Irish or Irish-American character in film, a play, or on television
• is famous, popular and successful in their chosen field
• cannot be associated with any other ethnic group, so must be Irish - because everyone is, aren't they!?!

oh yeah, and:

• has one or more Irish parents or grandparents (not essential)
• has actually claimed Irish ancestry (totally irrelevant)

86.17.247.135 01:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Does this mean that all Roman Catholics in the United states are Irish-American and that there are no Irish-American Atheists ???? According to Wikipedia Which Wikepedia article says this exactly ?80.229.222.48 18:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Fergie from the black eyed peas is also an anglophile

Tarantino?

Why is Quentin Tarantino an anglophile? Watching his films, I don't see any influence or connection. Even in his private life there is, as far as I can tell, nothing especially english. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.133.218.198 (talk) 09:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

I deleted Tarantino from the list. I have no idea why anyone would say he's an anglophile. -Wutschwlllm 11:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Needs more info!

ok look ate anglophobe. now look at anglophile. obviously this article needs to be expanded. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral, but looking at these 2 articles and comparing them makes it seem otherwise. --Nick Scratch 21:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Appropriateness (or otherwise) of including the term "Pom"

I got accused for vandalism of including "Pom" to external links ? Im a bit mystified given that its an widely used Australian term for an anglophile and while it may at onetime have been considered derogotory I had been given to understand that this isint really the case nowadays. Nobody seems has a problem with the inclusion of the Irish equivalent "West Briton" which is still regarded by many as derogotary despite the attempts of some of us to reclaim the expression. 80.229.222.48 15:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Article

Someone vandalised this article and made it little more than a definition. The subject deserves treatment in an article. There are correponding articles in the French, Russian, and German wikis. It is a stub. It needs someone to spend more time on it.

Nicolas Sarkozy

I have removed Sarkozy from the list; he has never had a reputation as an anglophile. If anything he has a reputation as an americanophile. This list seems a bit random.Thermaland 18:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The list has been removed as WP:OR and per WP:BLP. I've also fixed up the puzzling conflation of "British" and "English". They are certainly not the same thing. - Francis Tyers · 18:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Please can people stop re-inserted unsourced speculation. WP:V is a policy, lets ahere to it. - Francis Tyers · 16:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

This Page Should Be Moved

Anglophilia described the phenomena; anglophile merely describes someone is a grip of anglophilia. On other pages, it is socialism, not socialist, Anglophobia rather then Anglophobe, Communism instead of Communist, and so on, and so on. For this reason, I think the page should be moved. Any objections? --A.S. Brown 18:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Section regarding spelling

In the section regarding spelling, it suggests that an Anglophile (i.e. an American living in America) would write 'realise' instead of 'realize', thus suggesting that 'realize' is the American way of spelling the word. It's funny, because I've always thought that American English used the S where the British used the Z in these circumstances. I'd like an opinion(s) before I change it round though. SPTimoshenko 11:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm feeling bold. I'm gonna correct it. SPTimoshenko 23:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

You're wrong I'm afraid. See e.g. [1] , [2] , [3] , [4]. Without meaning to be brusque, you might want to check your facts before reverting good faith edits on a hunch in future. It took me all of 10 seconds to come up with these sources. All the best, Badgerpatrol 05:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes I see now, how foolish of me. Please forgive me, I've had a lot on my mind recently. We have a recurring problem with nocturnal pests in my area which is coming close to bankrupting me. I shall try to heed your advice. Many thanks. SPTimoshenko 09:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries, it's no big deal. My advice - if it's rats, then shoot them. If it's local kids - then shoot them. If you're lucky, no court in the Kingdom will convict. Badgerpatrol 11:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Sourced examples

These can be restored when sources backing them up are provided:

• Anglo-Irish journalist Kevin Myers, a controversial critic of Irish nationalism.
• Philanthropist Paul Getty, who became a British citizen
• Brothers Ron & Russell Mael of the band Sparks
• Madonna, singer/songwriter
• Courtney Love, singer/songwriter
• Johnny Depp, a fan of The Fast Show
• Science fiction/horror writer H. P. Lovecraft
• Australian-born UK citizen Germaine Greer
• The modernist poet and essayist T. S. Eliot, who became a British citizen
• American born writer Henry James, who became a British citizen
• Travel writer Bill Bryson
• Stanley Kubrick, who lived in England for many years
• Alexander Hamilton, American statesman and founding father
• Kevin Spacey, now living in London
• Tori Amos
• Carmen Electra has said in many interviews that she likes British culture
• Gwyneth Paltrow (married to English musician Chris Martin)
• Gwen Stefani (married to English musician Gavin Rossdale)
• Daryl Palumbo, lead singer of Head Automatica
• American band The Killers were accused of sounding too English on their first album Hot Fuss after saying that one of their influences was English band Oasis.
• Stanley Ho, Hong Kong business entrepreneur
• Nirad Chaudhuri, Bengali writer
• David Soul Hutch from Starsky and Hutch, now a British citizen
• Joseph Conrad, notable Polish author
• Gillian Anderson, American actress who grew up and now lives in London
• Annie Oakley, American sharpshooter, equestrian and actress
• Canadian comedian Mike Myers considers himself British - he has British, as well as Canadian, citizenship. His parents are both from Liverpool
• Guy Mollet, former French Prime Minister who proposed that France merge with Britain or failing that, be allowed to join the British Commonwealth.
• Hayao Miyazaki, director of Japanese animated films (it should be noted here that, generally speaking, popular opinion in Japan seems to be very pro-British, particularly English.)
• Alexander Marion, religious historian and collector of British Royal Commerative China
• Paul Mellon, American philanthropist and scion of the Mellon family.
• Kevin Sabo, American student who referred to the current reigning monarch of the United Kingdom as his King/Queen.
• Evan Rachel Wood was described as an Anglophile by The Guardian, an English newspaper, due to her dating English actor Jamie Bell.
• James Huff-Miller, American law office case manager who frequently attempts to speak with a British accent
• François Fillon, French Prime Minister is said to be Anglophile. He is also married to British citizen Penelope Fillon (born Clarke).
• Bob Tullius, American racing driver and founder/owner of Group 44 Inc. He is noted for his association with British cars which has they has always feature a line of British racing green at the side, as well as in 2004, donating his P-51 Mustang fighter plane to the RAF Museum at Hendon.
• Tunku Abdul Rahman, first Malaysian Prime Minister.
• Lee Kuan Yew, a former President of Singapore.
• Amanda Palmer, known anglophile, uses many (if not all) British pronunciations throughout her vocabulary, and currently engaged to English writer Neil Gaiman.

Utter crap

this page is awful it is basically a list of british people in popular culture who americans have heard of The Almightey Drill (talk) 18:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Despite your language, I'm tempted to agree. The examples given seem to mainly mention current celebrities (omg where is Simon Cowell). Since Anglophilia redirects here, the article needs a historical perspective as well, for instance (wrt. Americans) the late 1800s, post WW1, WW2 and more recent military adventures, and play less on the hollywood infatuation with whichever film star some editors can think of linking to - heck even Beatlemania and Duran Duran are not mentioned.1812ahill (talk) 19:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Add Alan Rickman to that celebrity list!

Most Anglophiles love Alan Rickman too. And Alan Rickman is Celtic British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.228.228 (talk) 18:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. User:BDD has recommended that the articles in {{cultural appreciation}} should be made consistent. That might be discussed elsewhere. EdJohnston (talk) 16:05, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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• The article is about a phenomenon, not a type of person. Anglophilia redirects to Anglophile, which is currently protected. Spylab (talk) 14:56, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
• Comment This does not seem to me to be uncontroversial. It has not been flagged for discussion on any talk page that I have found. The article would require a total rewrite to make this move valid, and also requires consensus. If consensus has been built we need to see where that is. Fiddle Faddle 15:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

• SInce I oppose this move, I have moved this to the contested requests section. Fiddle Faddle 21:56, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
• I would suggest including the other -phile articles listed at {{cultural appreciation}} as well. No sense in having them be inconsistent. --BDD (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

• Support The move would not require a total rewrite. What's the basis for this claim? Only the lead sentence would have to be changed from "An Anglophile is a person who is fond of English culture." to "Anglophilia is a fondness of English culture." or something along those lines. What's the controversy?Spylab (talk) 00:59, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. Anglophile sounds like an anthropological boffin, while Anglophilia sounds like a disease. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:50, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Comment One's personal opinion about what a word "sounds like" is not a logical argument for either side of this debate.Spylab (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Disagree. This appears to be question of nothing more than preference. -philes and -phobes are quite commonly heard terms. Whether the article is couched in terms of the person or the condition, seems nothing more than preference. As a matter of preference, I think it sounds better, sounds more usual, to be describing the lovers of something, and on the other side, to describe the condition of hating/fearing something. Slightly inconsistent, maybe, but sorry. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

• Support; seems a more logical resting place for the article. Red Slash 03:35, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

English ≠ British, British ≠ English

I removed a couple of mentions to Britain - a New York Times piece stating; "Three unique and valuable institutions the British have that we in America have not ...” and something on “British music and other aspects of British culture” - as this article purports to relate to English matters. Other syntheses remain e.g. “Anglophilia might also be characterized by fondness for the British monarchy and the English system of government (e.g. Westminster system of parliament), institutions (e.g. Royal Mail), as well as nostalgia for the former British Empire and the English class system.” and both images (“The James, an English-style pub in Münster, Germany, sporting the British flag and the sign of James II” - a British flag, whatever that is, is not English and James II, was King of England, Scotland and Ireland; “A German telephone box in Bielefeld run by German Telekom which is an homage to traditional English design.” - the red telephone box was introduced, owned and operated by the United Kingdom Government, through the Post Office. If Anglophilia is synonymous with liking all things British as well as English, the article should say so, using well-cited, reliably-sourced references, which currently, it does not. Daicaregos (talk) 14:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Technically you're right, but the problem is that people in the US (and elsewhere) do confuse England and Britain, and in practice do use the term "Anglophile" with the meaning of "lover of things British". That's no more "wrong" than British people calling US residents "Americans", but not using the same word for (say) Brazilians. The third paragraph of the Description section makes that point, but only briefly. My preference would be to highlight the England/Britain confusion (and hence inaccurate but widespread use of the word Anglophilia) in the lead section, correct clear errors where they exist, but allow mentions of British features, such as:

“Anglophilia may also be characterized by fondness for the British monarchy and system of government (e.g. Westminster system of parliament), institutions (e.g. Royal Mail), as well as nostalgia for the former British Empire and the British class system.”

“The James, an English-style pub in Münster, Germany, sporting the UK flag and the sign of James II”

“A German telephone box in Bielefeld run by German Telekom which is an homage to traditional British design.”

...though, of course, referencing needs to be improved throughout. I'd also suggest reinstating the paragraph you deleted, for similar reasons. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see the problem. Although I'm not sure saying America is an example of similar confusion, as no other country uses that actual word as part of its name. Nevertheless, if well-cited, reliably-sourced references can be found to show that saying one word (British) really means another (English) then, problem solved. Even so, we cannot know that they didn't intend to mean they were fond of British instiitutions (in which case it would not belong here), unless they say so. Wouldn't that be sythesis? I would have no objections to any examples, or even this entire issue, being raised at the WP:NORN. Daicaregos (talk) 13:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I've tweaked the existing text, though of course a properly sourced article would be much better. Personally, I suspect that opening up a wider debate might stir up more dust, rather than shed light on the issue. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:38, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

You may well be right, although I have always found the editors on that type of noticeboard to be unfailingly helpful. Your changes have improved the page. Thank you. Daicaregos (talk) 15:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I stand corrected. This, from the OED, is what we need. "A. A supporter or admirer of England (or Britain), its people, customs, etc. B. Friendly to, or favouring, England (or Britain), its people, customs, etc.". Would you like to do the honours? Daicaregos (talk) 16:39, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I'd rather you made the change. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Anglophilia as the love for the English-language culture

The larger context of Anglophilia is the attraction for the planar-coded language English culture as against social cultures connected to feudal languages.

Apart from that, a very important and as yet, unmentioned Anglophile was Adolf Hitler in his formative years. His book Mein Kampf contains enough wordings to define him as an Anglophile. English Monarchy, English parliamentary system, English buildings, English patriotism, English military skills, and even English colonialism (and much else) are mentioned in total eulogising terms in his book. CHECK THIS. This was many years before he started a war on England.

A sample QUOTE: I had, without myself realising it, been inoculated with a certain admiration for the British Parliament, of which I was not easily able to rid myself. The dignity with which the Lower House there fulfilled its tasks (as was so touchingly described in our press) impressed me immensely. Could a people have any more exalted form of self-government? END OF QUOTE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.97.3.69 (talk) 09:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Credit ...

... to the titling of the subheadings, as they add a certain lyrical theme, like wot you see in books innit.