Talk:Pizzicato Five

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I added a phrase linking them to shibuya-kei, since they obviously played a key role in that scene. I also changed "band" to "group" because I felt "group" would be a more appropriate term to describe them. Poltergeist July 20, 2006

Could someone clean up the discography into albums / singles / EPs? I would do it, but I don't know enough about them, and I couldn't find the info in a google search. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.33.191.40 (talk) February 20, 2007

WEST OF WHERE?[edit]

the phrase "best known to audiences in the West " is ambigous and the link should have to play a semantic role in the text, it's the wstern emisphere or the west of japan?, please somebody rewrite to clarify it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.2.218.50 (talk) 05:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genre sources[edit]

Acid jazz – http://ww.boralv.se/AcidJazz/Backup/1997-Apr/0064.html
A post from the "Acid Jazz Mail Archive" written by "dj herb". Who is dj herb? Who published him? The Acid Jazz Mail Archive? Who are they? Does it matter? No, because Pizzicato Five is never called "acid jazz" anywhere in the link anyway.

Smooth jazz – http://thisjapaneselife.org/2011/08/20/alt-japan-the-pizzicato-five/
A post from "This Japanese Life" written by Ekyl. The same questions can be posed as above. Ekyl himself calls this his "blog" in the about me page. Self-published source. Not applicable to Wikipedia. (WP:BLOGS)

Folk rock – http://www.oddmodout.com/tag/pizzicato-five/
A post from "The Odd One Out" written by "Ruadhán J McElroy", an author of two books. This is his self-described "mod culture blog". Same as above.

New Wave – http://www.matadorrecords.com/pizzicato_five
Label page. The full quote: "The Sound of Music By Pizzicato Five: The second U.S. release from Pizzicato Five showcases their versatility even better than Made In USA to evocations of Swinging London in "Strawberry Sleighride" and "Sophisticated Catchy" and full new-wave tribute action in their cover of the Plastics' "Good!"" So one cover version of a new wave song = a new wave band? No, it doesn't work that way.

R&B – Billboard never calls the band R&B. Gnoegnoe is yet another blogger, and yet another source that doesn't name the band R&B anywhere.

House – http://www.allmusic.com/album/sweet-pizzicato-five-mw0000767494
OK. Here we go. AllMusic is an acceptable source. And not only that, but it actually calls the band a "sleek house music machine". Is this enough to make P5 a house band? Probably not, because Ted Mills leaves it too ambiguous whether the transformation lasted more than one album.

--Ilovetopaint (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your article edit based on this analysis. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 03:27, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shibuya-Kei also has lots of elements of jazz and electronic dance music anyways, so I will find more sources and find loopholes to this. Because I'm not making erroneous genres. There is only so many music genres.

By your assessment, house music will be added for now. I will get the other four genres added too. As I was right with one, I know I'm right with the others. Two being rock genres, two being urban/jazz genres. It's not about them being a house band, it's what a majority of their tracks and albums sound like and what music journalists and critics and most of fans generalize their music as. Boaxy (talk) 13:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"what music journalists and critics and most of fans generalize their music as." ... Yes, you are exactly right. So for example, the expository sentences "Pizzicato Five is a Japanese Shibuya-kei band" and "Pizzicato Five is a Japanese pop band" would not be alarming to most people. However, "Pizzicato Five is a house band" will raise eyebrows. Suppose they recorded one or two house albums -- it doesn't make them a house band. This is similar to how the Beatles' 1966–68 string of psychedelic albums doesn't necessarily make them a psychedelic band. They evolved too much and too rapidly throughout their career for them to be pigeonholed into any specific subgenres. That's why they are simply labelled "rock, pop" in their infobox. And FYI, AllMusic "styles" are often frivolous and not considered acceptable sources on Wikipedia.
If you can find an acceptable source that calls them a group who performs dancepop, new wave, r&b, what-have-you (that does not isolate the genres to a specific album), then feel free to readd them.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]