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To Marcus2: I'm curious, why would you replace perhaps one of the most widely known animated characters, with a picture of a generic mouse I've never seen before in any animated films or TV series? -Kaizersoze 01:12, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
Because it is a picture of a cartoon and better fits the topic of animation. Marcus2 15:11, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Um, since when are "animation" and "cartoon" synonymous? They are completely different things. The Bart Simpson image was added because he (or perhaps Homer) is one of the most widely known and easily identifiable animated characters. It's either him or Mickey Mouse, and I chose not to use Mickey to set this template apart from the ({disney-stub}} template. If you want to create a {{cartoon-stub}} template and use your generic cartoon mouse icon, then by all means do so. -Kaizersoze 05:17, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
I looked up the article on animation and it and "cartoon" are quite similar. Such figures as Walt Disney, Bill (William) Hanna, and Joe (Joseph) Barbera are listed under animation, and they were creators of cartoons. This mouse drawing is an example of animation in perhaps its purest form. Marcus2 12:45, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You obviously still have no idea what animation is. To quote the Animation article, "Animation refers to the process in which each frame of a film or movie is produced individually, whether generated as a computer graphic, or by photographing a drawn image, or by repeatedly making small changes to a model and then photographing the result". If you read that and still think animation and cartoons are the same thing, then there is something wrong with you. Plain and simple, animation is a medium. Cartoons are a specific style of art. This stub template is meant to be used in articles covering the entire field of animation, not just cartoon animation. This means your image would be completely inappropriate for articles about things like claymation, rotoscoping, and articles on the animation process itself. Again, I only chose to use an image of Bart because he is one of the most easily identifiable animated characters. Your image is a generic cartoon "character" that has never been animated. But since you can't get it through your head that animation and cartoons are two completely different things, then no image will be used at all. -Kaizersoze 18:57, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
Okay. I think I get the point. Though I think it might be a good compromise not to have an image, I was wondering about using maybe Bugs Bunny or Scooby-Doo or something else, or put the old Bart Simpson image back. Marcus2 21:53, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Bugs Bunny and Fred Flintstone would be other good choices for an image; they each represent a certain age in Hollywood animation. Bugs is a symbol of the "golden age" of film animation, Fred represents the "television era" of the 60s, and Bart or Homer represent the animation "renaissance" of the late 80s and 90s. Of course, Mickey is probably the best universal symbol of animation, period, but since there's already a disney-stub template, that can't be used. Now that I think about it though, it would probably be more appropriate to use a general image for animation that doesn't imply any specific studio or era (the same way film-stub uses a film reel rather than a picture of a famous movie character). Perhaps a picture of an animation disc would work? Although, then it'd be ignoring other forms of animation (3D, claymation, cutout animation), but I think that would be acceptable. -Kaizersoze 22:59, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
