Talk:Music of New Jersey

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Untitled[edit]

The Steve Blush book is filled with historical innacuracies , and should not be taken as the final word on this subject .

Introduction[edit]

The biggest superstar from New Jersey is probably Bruce Springsteen, who became a 1980s icon with complex lyrical stories about teens growing up in Freehold and other economically depressed areas of New Jersey.

This is a horrible introduction sentence into this article. Since the article is not specifically about Bruce Springsteen, the opening sentence should be changed to be more general. In addition, the music underneath the culture section of New Jersey have to be reorganized, and some has to be moved into this page. AndyZ 00:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed the POV reference to Springsteen, but I'm sure it could be improved upon. Spartacusprime 21:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey Hardcore[edit]

Shouldn't we mention the rather large hardcore scene that exists in New Jersey? I know that New Jersey has spawned a large amount of groups in that genre, but I don't know if Wikipedia will allow it. Spartacusprime 21:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BLONDIE: BLONDIE CLEARLY IS FROM NYC WHY THE HELL IS IT ON A NJ PAGE????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.165.107 (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This hasn't been revisited in a while, but I think it makes a lot of sense to have a section of NJ punk and hardcore bands past/present since there's so much more than what's up there now. stephaniebeth 15:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RyKe[edit]

I removed that artist from the list because

  • A Google search turned up one mention on the second page,
  • There is no article about the artist,
  • The username of the person who added RyKe is "RyKenation". I sensed promotion, thus I removed it. Spartacusprime 20:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

p-funk[edit]

I didn't notice anything about George Clinton and Parliament-Funkadelic. I believe they started out in Plainfield.

George Antheil[edit]

The classical composer George Antheil who was known as the infamous 'Bad Boy of Music' was born in Trenton. His music was very percussive and important, I think he deserves a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.255.176 (talk) 19:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Free Yon[edit]

"Free Yon is from Central NJ."

Does this band really deserve to be on a list of prominent New Jersey musicians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.89.180.65 (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Paragraph and MOS:BEGIN[edit]

The first paragraph says little more than that music existed in NJ before people of European descent arrived, and that European music arrived with European people. Is that really useful to say or informative for readers? Perhaps. But is there something that could be said about the pre-Colombian music other than that it existed and probably didn't sound like European music?

Additionally and perhaps more importantly, I don't know that the paragraph complies with MOS:BEGIN. The paragraph should probably be moved to later in the article. SlubGlub (talk) 05:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the first paragraph to be a single sentence: "The American state of New Jersey has a diverse musical culture and history reflecting its diverse population and history." This is not perfect by a long stretch, but is, I think, a vast improvement. SlubGlub (talk) 06:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up[edit]

I've made a few edits througout. I've deleted a few artists that I could not find any secondary sources on. The only links I could find were self-promoting. Therefore, removed... if anyone can find credible secondary links and document them with in-line citations, then I'll leave them alone. I also added a few bands that were omitted (Skid Row, Trixter, and Overkill). Additionally, I went through the history and noticed that two punk artists from NJ, Blanks 77 and Patti Smith, were both deleted (along with a bunch of other less noteworthy bands) because the editor didn't LIKE them. So I'm putting them back in because 1. general consensus indicates they fall with in the genre of punk, 2. they are from NJ and 3. there are numerous secondary sources vouching for their noteriety. It doesn't matter if the editor doesn't LIKE them. They meet the criteria for inclusion. Asturnut (talk) 10:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Jersey Shore sound article[edit]

The Jersey Shore sound article as it was, was a complete mess, so I redirected it to here:

1. There were only three sources.

2. Almost all the bands listed there did not have "Jersey Shore sound" on their respective pages (Bruce Springsteen had the genre listed on his page throughout the mid-2010's, but of course, it was unsourced, and eventually, removed altogether), and the ones that do, the claim that they're "Jersey Shore sound" is unsourced. In fact, all mentions of a band/artist being "Jersey Shore sound" is unsourced. Maybe Bruce Springsteen's 1970's material fit this genre, but his 1980's music most certainly does not as it is more in line with the music of that time (Synthpop (Dancing in the Dark, Glory Days), heartland rock (most of his material including Born in the U.S.A), rockabilly revival (I'm on Fire), funk (Pink Cadillac), and so forth).

3. Other artists from New Jersey, like Frank Sinatra and Bon Jovi are not even remotely associated with this genre, as both are jazz and glam/pop metal, respectively. In addition, Looking Glass' big hit Brandy (You're a Fine Girl) is cited as soft rock[1] and pop,[2] rather than Jersey Shore sound.

Either restore and clean up the Jersey Shore sound article and find sources for the claims on it, or consider keeping the redirect to "Music of New Jersey". I did add a brief blurb about the genre here, so if anybody actually is scoping out "Jersey Shore sound", they will have at least something to read. And please comment here, and not on the Jersey Shore sound article (at least right now). Moline1 (talk) 23:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC) Moline1 (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.allmusic.com/album/brandy-youre-a-fine-girl-sony-mw0000050550
  2. ^ https://www.stereogum.com/2034464/the-number-ones-looking-glass-brandy-youre-a-fine-girl/columns/the-number-ones/
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