Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music

Watchlist WP Classical music

Is there a way to watch the recent changes made on articles under the scope the project? I know you can watch changes made to pages in Category:WikiProject Classical music articles, but that's just the talk pages, not the articles themselves. It looks like there were some tools that helped with that, but they got shut down (tool1 , tool2).

I noticed that WP Medicine created this page (looks like via PetScan) to list all 53000+ pages under the scope of the project and then they use the related changes to watch the articles. That's an option but it's a huge page and also has to be updated manually...

If currently that is the best option, would you support doing that for this project? thanks -- Gor1995 𝄞 01:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

You are certainly welcome to copy the WP Med model via petscan, although I'm not sure there would be a demand for such a page. You might already know about Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Article alerts, which has at least some of the more "important" changes. Personally, adding 50k pages to my watch list is a bit intimidating :) Aza24 (talk) 01:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I think it would be useful to have something like Special:RecentChanges but limited to a certain topic. Luckily Classical music "only" has 25k articles :)

I'll wait a bit in case someone comes out with a better option...

In Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Tools I included other resources that I believe could be explored. Thanks -- Gor1995 𝄞 10:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

List of works in the infobox

In case of interest please take look at discussion Talk:Antonio Vivaldi#List of works in the infobox. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Should musicians having memory lapse in concerts be added as an entire paragraph in their biographies?

A brief summary of my long paragraphs: Should incidents like musicians having memory lapse in concerts be added to controversy, career or personal life section, i.e. notable as an entire paragraph in their biographies? (As currently, biographies only include long-term memory lapse as a one-sentence description) Also, seeking for GA Nominee Advice. Thanks a lot.

Since the community has not discussed this matter before, I am asking to clarify my confusion: I am currently working on this classical pianist's biography, hoping to improve it to GA status. I just noticed two debates/discussions on its discussion page on whether him having a memory lapse in a 2015 concert should be added to the controversy section. In the first discussion in 2016, the two editors (according to edit history) seemed to have reached agreement that the inclusion may have violated WP:BLP trivial/gossip and it was not kept at last. In the second discussion in 2021, the other two editors didn't reach an agreement on the matter. So now, I am confused and want to know whether the memory lapse incident should be added to the controversy (or career or personal life section, as an entire paragraph) or not, and I want to get it resolved to one step forward meeting GA standards.

I have read some other musicians' biographies concerning memory lapse as references. I notice that although having memory lapse is a usual mistake in classical concerts, only a few musicians having long term (yearly) memory lapse were included as a one setence description in their career/personal life section, not controversy section e.g. Vladimir Horowitz, Anton Rubinstein.

It makes me doubt whether a one-time concert memory lapse is necessary to be included in the controversy section of musician's biography, and whether this may violate WP:BLP. (According to previous replies in teahouse, it seems that this should not be included in musicians’ controversy section) Also, I am wondering if such incident is relevant/has the necessity to be included as an entire paragraph in musicians’ career/personal life section

Also, I would like some additional advice/feedback to improve this article, allowing it to meet GA status. Thank you so much, once again. EleniXDD※Talk 12:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Controversy sections generally shouldn't exist at all, which would suggest that if this is to be included it will be included in some other section. However, I don't think we should have a general discussion on if or where such details would be included, since it will be highly context-specific. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Other experienced editors at teahouse suggested that I could look at biographies as references (if it has the necessity to be included as other section).

Currently in Wikipedia's biographies, I observed that only musicians having memory lapse in concerts lasted yearly are listed-- this makes me wonder if there's a general agreement on this kind of incident.

If I just take other GA or of high quality biographies' as references on quality, is it enough for me to promote it to GA.

Thanks for the reply, EleniXDD※Talk 14:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, I've just committed to reviewing your article, so can speak more about it on the review page.

The people at the teahouse mean well, but these kinds of situations vary wildly between different pianists, so looking for comparisons may be misleading. If reliable sources are covering something in depth, it should be mentioned. As Nikkimaria says, it should likely not be a section in itself, and should be incorporated into a large narrative of the article. Aza24 (talk) 17:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind help. Sure, let’s discuss it on the review page. EleniXDD※Talk 17:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)