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Crimea is Ukraine! Crimean Tatars, Krymchaks, Karaites - indigenous peoples of Crimea![edit]

Crimea is Ukraine! Crimean Tatars, Krymchaks, Karaites - indigenous peoples of Crimea! How dare you support russian fascists?! The occupation of Crimea was illegal! The russian fascists are carrying out the genocide of the indigenous people of Crimea - the Crimean Tatars: about 200+ people, who were kidnapped and tortured, are denied the necessary treatment; 16 people were tortured and killed; violent mobilization into the ranks of the russian army for the war with Ukraine; a concentration camp in an educational institution in the Kherson region; evicting people from their homes, seizing their homes; threats of deportation; threats during commemoration of the victims of deportation in 1944; Islamophobia. 178.133.208.150 (talk) 14:24, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Byzantine sources on the physical appearence of seljuk turks[edit]

Byzantine historians of the eleventh and twelfth centuries imply that the facial configuration of the Turkmens differed greatly from that of the Greeks. The central Asiatic facial type, which must have been the dominant one, is clearly apparent in the description that Brocquiere gives of the Ottoman sultan Murad II, whom he saw in Adrianople: "In the first place, as I have seen him frequently, I shall say that he is a little, short, thick man, with the physiognomy of a Tartar. He has a broad and brown face, high cheek bones, a round beard, a great and crooked nose, with little eyes."

The physiognomy of the tribesmen evidently set them off as sharply from the indigenous population as did their peculiar society. It is quite probable that fusion with other groups such as the Kurds, or later with Christians and converts, gradually altered the physical type in many areas and introduced further physical variety among them. The Byzantine turkic mercenary Uzes, from the Balkans, looked so much like the Seljuk Turks that the Byzantines could not distinguish the one from the other. Nicetas Choniates remarks that the Turks at the battle of Myriocephalum removed the facial skin of the fallen on both sides lest the Greeks learn how many Turks had been slain. This again, is an explicit testimonial to the fact that the facial types of Greek and Turks at this early period (as in contrast to later times) were sharply distinguishable.


H20346 (talk) 06:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to add more information to the "physiognomy" section of this wiki page. My sources are the book "The Decline of Medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor and the Process of Islamization from the Eleventh through the Fifteenth Century" by Speros Vryonis. H20346 (talk) 09:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I made a summary of the segment by Speros Vryonis, with ref [1]. Thanks for the suggestion. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 11:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added this on Murad II as well. Beshogur (talk) 11:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you pelase add the byzantine descriptions of turks when they first arrived in Anatolia and did not yet admix with the native population? I think that is more interesting than the description of a single ottoman king hundreds of years later. H20346 (talk) 04:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Miniatures in thirteenth-century Arab illuminated manuscripts show that the artists were sharply aware of the different facial type of the new Turko-Mongol ruling class. (The Decline of Medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor and the Process of Islamization from the Eleventh through the Fifteenth Century, page 278)
H20346 (talk) 05:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You should propose a precise text with references. I am attaching a few related paintings from Ettinghausen, as referenced by Speros Vryonis. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 06:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The physiognomy of the tribesmen evidently set them off as sharply from the indigenous population as did their peculiar society. It is quite probable that fusion with other groups such as the Kurds, or later with Christians and converts, gradually altered the physical type in many areas and introduced further physical variety among them. The Byzantine turkic mercenary Uzes, from the Balkans, looked so much like the Seljuk Turks that the Byzantines could not distinguish the one from the other. Nicetas Choniates remarks that the Turks at the battle of Myriocephalum removed the facial skin of the fallen on both sides lest the Greeks learn how many Turks had been slain. This again, is an explicit testimonial to the fact that the facial types of Greek and Turks at this early period (as in contrast to later times) were sharply distinguishable.

This is very interesting. Please add this as a full quote by speros vryonis.
H20346 (talk) 11:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done this would be excessive quotation. Can you summarize? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Flood, Finbarr Barry (2017). "A Turk in the Dukhang? Comparative Perspectives on Elite Dress in Medieval Ladakh and the Caucasus". Interaction in the Himalayas and Central Asia. Austrian Academy of Science Press: 232.
  2. ^ Ettinghausen, Richard (1977). Arab painting. New York : Rizzoli. p. 148. ISBN 978-0-8478-0081-0.
  3. ^ Ettinghausen, Richard (1977). Arab painting. New York : Rizzoli. p. 162. ISBN 978-0-8478-0081-0.
  4. ^ Ettinghausen, Richard (1977). Arab painting. New York : Rizzoli. p. 148. ISBN 978-0-8478-0081-0.
  5. ^ Ettinghausen, Richard (1977). Arab painting. New York : Rizzoli. p. 162. ISBN 978-0-8478-0081-0. In the paintings the facial cast of these [ruling] Turks is obviously reflected, and so are the special fashions and accoutrements they favored

Errors in statistics (demographics section)[edit]

There are far more Uzbeks, also there is a different number on the page "Uzbeks". Secondly, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan hosts quite a substantial number of different Turkic ethnic groups so you might add this as well. Shawali187 (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (bojo)(they/them)(talk) 22:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hazaras of Afghanistan are Turkic too[edit]

hazara of Afghanistan are Turkic too. Afghanistan is originally a Turkic land but only a couple centuries (about 3 centuries) migrants from India currently day Pakistan migrated (pushtoons).. 110.175.175.211 (talk) 01:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed citation - Religion: Religious conversions: Buddhism[edit]

Tengri Bögü Khan initially made the now extinct Manichaeism the state religion of the Uyghur Khaganate in 763 and it was also popular among the Karluks. It was gradually replaced by the Mahayana Buddhism. [citation needed] Citation source Page 210.

Helo, I propose the following source as a reference to the section mentioned. Demadrend (talk) 17:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]