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I disagree, actually. I think Ryoan-ji should be merged with this article. Exploding Boy 16:26, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Kanji[edit]

Just for the record, I went to Ryōanji this afternoon and while the maps of the area all use 竜安寺, the signs at the actual temple all say 龍安寺。I was surprised myself. Anyway, that's why I added the other writing since both are apparently acceptable. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 12:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Added details from the Nature article. Facinating, I wish I could link their figure showing the tree. (gradd001) 9:26, March 12 2006

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1. World Heritage Site preservation activities ...?

Ryōan-ji at p. 27

Just a quick not for later reference. --Ooperhoofd 17:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Statement of caution was removed[edit]

I have undone the removal by 173.65.93.103, as I think it is important to be aware of the effect of "scientific" (western) rationalization that is under heavy dispute. Petrus Patings (talk) 09:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The statement was deleted by an anonymous user a month later. IMO it was overdramatic: "Your own garden experience as a beholder may be damaged for life with this scientific knowledge as a basis." OTOH, the "scientific" analysis is poorly explained, especially the term "skeleton" and the significance of axial symmetry.

The researchers begin with a bias, asserting that there is a "seemingly random composition of rocks and moss". They then presume that the pattern they perceived via numerical analysis is the only possible non-random pattern, contrasting it with "random perturbation". This looks like confirmation bias. I'm inclined to delete the first three paragraphs in this section, retaining only the last paragraph. Martindo (talk) 04:04, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Boulder 15: Possible Inaccuracy[edit]

'The stones are placed so that the entire composition cannot be seen at once from the veranda. They are also arranged so that when looking at the garden from any angle (other than from above) only fourteen of the boulders are visible at one time. It is traditionally said that only through attaining enlightenment would one be able to view the fifteenth boulder.'

No source is given for this 'traditionally said' which might be OR. So let me add some OR of my own, based on having visited the temple and its garden 30 years ago. At that time, a group of students was there on a school trip and one told me that 'the fifteenth boulder is only visible in your mind'. In fact, it is visible if you step off the veranda, as I pointed out to him, thereby evoking zen-like surprise on his part.

The first sentence in the excerpted paragraph is accurate. The second sentence seems to assume that "any angle" refers to "any angle while still on the veranda" -- at least that is my recollection. Perhaps someone can visit the garden in the near future and confirm that all 15 are visible simultaneously when one is *off* the veranda.

At the least, a citation is needed for an authoritative reference about the "tradition" and its correct interpretation.Martindo (talk) 11:50, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Citations needed[edit]

I've added a couple of citation tags. One in particular needs specific attention so I thought I'd highlight it here. The claim in the picture caption that the rock garden reflects the idea of wabi-sabi is cited with a Japanese language book on wabi-sabi. Glancing at the contents, I don't see Ryõan-ji mentioned explicitly. That doesn't mean it's not there of course, but I'm not going to read a whole book to find a citation that might not exist, and I don't have access to the book anyway. In short: if another editor has access to the book and can check if it actually mentions the temple, then great, as it looks like a serious book on the topic of wabi-sabi. Otherwise, I'm deleting it. I'm also going to delete the uncited stuff at the bottom of the page which has lacked citations since 2017 - that is unless someone can find some good citations soon. Retinalsummer (talk) 10:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]