Talk:The Smurfs

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2017

On second paragraph of "Smurfs" section, Sassette, Smart and a child who wears Farmer hat are not included in the 100 year old exceptions.Laranjatomate (talk) 22:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

2602:306:3A4B:DD60:B541:67D:3B8B:5CE7 (talk) 01:12, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. HindWiki^Connect 01:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Snorks?

There was a TV show with underwater creatures called Snorks who used the word "snork" as the Smurfs use "smurf". My assumption is that the Snorks were a Smurfs copy. If anyone knows the real story and could add a small section, that would be helpful. Than you. four tildes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.207.235 (talk) 18:52, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Of course it's a copy, or a tribute, I don't know, as the "schtroumpfs" are much older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.51.235 (talk) 03:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2019

In the subject name, it is said that Smurf is a Dutch translation of the name for the Stroumpf. That is not exactly right. The word Smurf didn't exist in the Dutch language until then. Reinrovers (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2020

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Smurf Economy = Communism

The Smurf economy as currently described in the article is completely identical to communism. It even paraphrases From each according to his ability to each according to his needs. I feel this should probably be mentioned, and the article for communism should be added as a Template:See_also or Template:Main. Crockett623 (talk) 11:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

What you have written there is a classical example of original research. The policy WP:NOR explicitly prohibits us from adding content to articles based on original research. If you can find a notable reliable source that says the same thing, it may make sense to include it. HiLo48 (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Three apples high

The article wrongly claims the Smurfs are "three apples high". They were probably described thusly in the original texts, but "three apples high" is a French idiom meaning "very small", and must not be taken literally. If you look at the comics, you can see the Smurfs are actually smaller than that.

I have put it in quotes, as it is indeed not "our" official measurement, but a quote from the original comics (in French of course) and from the Smurf.com website (the reference after the statement). Fram (talk) 17:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

The Smurfs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.249.86 (talk) 23:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article have some representative picture of a smurf?

Maybe a low-resolution comic panel or something? It should be fair use in this context. It seems weird that the only depictions of smurfs here are sculptures, when the subject is a long running comic book / animated video series. –jacobolus (t) 04:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jacobolus Yes, fair use surely allows us to have one image here. Feel free to WP:BEBOLD and add one. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Video game

I was cleaning the video game section and noticed that the game list on this page and on List of The Smurfs video games did not match (also why are we repeating thremcan anyone find any sources for the games or should we go and remove them Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 22:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Fanoflionking Finding sources shouldn't be that hard. Might be best to move all game content to a list so there's only one place listing them. Any that are notable and have reception etc. can be summarized back here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposal: merge individual Smurf albums into the List of The Smurfs albums

I suggest merging most if not all Smurf albums into a single list, as I fear they fail WP:GNG (right now they seem to be very badly written, with no references, some are misisng infoboxes, and of course none have info on awards, reception,e tc. They are listed here: Category:The Smurfs books. Similar things have been done following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Les Collines noires to many Lucky Luck albums (List of Lucky Luke albums). See also test case of Les Schtroumpfs Joueurs, where after my talk request for sources (unanswered) and then a prod, it was redirected here by User:Kvng. I'll also ping participants of the mentioned AfD: User:Fram, User:BoomboxTestarossa, User:Siroxo, User:Sgeureka. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support such a merge as it's worked well so far with Lucky Luke. —siroχo 04:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support. While at least some of the early books are certainly notable (e.g. the Black/Purple Smurfs[1], but also the anti-fascist King Smurf, or Schtroumpf Vert et Vert Schtroumpf about the Belgian language divide), they can always be recreated if and when someone is willing to write a decent article. Until then, a redirect to a list would be best (also for other series like Yoko Tsuno or Buck Danny or most European comics, though not Tintin obviously). Fram (talk) 07:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support yes, definitely, excellent idea. As @Fram says that preserves page history should any be suitable for standalone articles down the line, and shows respect for the work on the original pages while making an article that's more suitable for Wikipedia =) BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 07:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

  @BoomboxTestarossa @Fram @Siroxo I noticed, belatedly, we have The Smurfs (comics) which seems to be more or less the List of The Smurfs albums I suggest to be created. Quick question: should we move that article to the name I proposed? Should we do a WP:RM? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

  The Example (comics) disambiguator for comics series is pretty well-established by WP:NCCDAB, and the article does cover the series as a whole, so I am hesitant to move that page. We could either include prose list entries at the bottom of this article (and use in-page links to help readers jump down), or we could have just tables/line-item lists in this article and link to sections of the new article for the prose list entries. —siroχo 16:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

PS. Having read that article I think it would be best to redirect my proposed list... article to The_Smurfs_(comics)#Volumes. Then various albums currently failing GNG can be redirected there. How does that sound? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I would create the "List of ..." as a redirect to The Smurfs (comics) or a subsection, rather than moving the current article. It discussed the magazine publications, Marvel issues, and so on, which go beyond the simple "list of". And then also redirect the vast majority of the individual comics articles, without prejudice against recreating those that are notable and where someone will actually show this in the article. I would at first glance not redirect The Purple Smurfs, King Smurf, and perhaps The Smurfette and Schtroumpf Vert et Vert Schtroumpf (some good sources but not a lot of content). The others, as they stand, have no reason to remain separate articles. Fram (talk) 12:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Fair. I've redirected the red link (list) for now. I'll be slowly redirecting the rest, time and will permitting, and I'll take a second look at the ones you mentioned. If you could find sources for any that you prefer to remain as articles, and good sources you are aware of are not present in the articles, mentioning said sources on talk and adding {{sources exist}} to the current article would be very helpful. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fram (Forgot to ping in reply) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2023

There are actually 101 original Smurfs including Smurf Etter. Papa Smurf has 99 sons and 1 daughter. That’s 100, but Papa Smurf makes 101. 2601:18C:8282:8AA0:4C63:FAAE:705F:CC (talk) 00:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

MOS:MINORWORK

Re this. Please see MOS:MINORWORK: we need to use quotation marks for the titles of "Story lines that span multiple issues of a periodical". This paragraph is about a story line that spans multiple issues of a periodical. Same page says: "The convention of italicizing non-English words and phrases does not apply to proper names; thus, a title of a short non-English work simply receives quotation marks.". --Omnipaedista (talk) 12:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This is not just such a story line, this is a complete story from a notable series, intended to (and actually published as) a separate and important work, though with the title slightly altered. This is not some story line which doesn't exist as a separate work, this is a full comic album and later movie. Fram (talk) 12:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

This paragraph is not about the separate work. The separate work, La Flûte à six Schtroumpfs, is a comic album. "La Flûte à six trous" is a story (the article says that), not a comic album. "Minor" here just means that it is not a separate work in its original form. --Omnipaedista (talk) 12:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It's the exact same work. "all subsequent publications of the original story were retitled La Flûte à six Schtroumpfs ", the "album" is a "story" as well. It's not a minor work within a later album. It doesn't change from a minor to a major work just by getting one word in the title changed. Fram (talk) 12:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It does change from a minor work to a separate work when it becomes a separate work (published on its own—even if the content is exactly the same). MOS:MINORWORK is as explicit as it gets: we need to use quotation marks for the titles of "Story lines that span multiple issues of a periodical". --Omnipaedista (talk) 15:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

And as it has been published on its own, it is a separate work. Fram (talk) 08:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the very same storyline also exists as a separate work (published under a different name). But the article says, "In 1958, Spirou magazine started to publish the Johan et Pirlouit story..." In this context we are not talking about the separate work, we are talking about its non-separate version. --Omnipaedista (talk) 13:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024

Please remove the errant ref tag in the following text in the "Motion pictures" section:

A few more full-length Smurf films were made, most notably The Baby Smurf and Here are the Smurfs.</ref> created from episodes of the Hanna-Barbera television cartoon series.

76.14.122.5 (talk) 03:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Well that's certainly an interesting response. Let's try again --76.14.122.5 (talk) 04:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done Because basic maintenance doesn't require sources. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)