Talk:Derry, New Hampshire

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Article history[edit]

This page was developed under this name and under the article at Derry (town), New Hampshire. See the page history on that article (which is now a redirect to here) for details affecting the history of the article.

I've stored it under the more natural name as part of an effort to better integrate the town or city articles with the CDP articles, like the one linked from here. Thanks, Lou I 19:13, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Merge proposal[edit]

Please see the WikiProject New Hampshire talk page for background on the proposed merge of the Derry CDP article with this article.--Ken Gallager (talk) 13:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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it's not the setting of anything stephen king: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry_(Stephen_King) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.100.166 (talk) 03:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Disputed content 7 April 2020[edit]

Wikipedia editor who clearly doesn't live in Derry deleted added content regarding Derry Splash Pad. I have added content back and ask that they do not delete it again, as it is relevant to our town's interests.

The content was deleted in part because a post was put up on the Derry NH FB page with a joke about it, and people in town began adding additional content that wasn't useful. Andywho56 (talk) 03:09, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not I live in Derry is irrelevant. Please don't speculate. I know nothing about any facebook page post. As I stated, I removed it because information about a local park does not appear to be encyclopedic. This isn't the town's info page for town residents. Meters (talk) 03:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But an opera house is encyclopedic? Not sure I follow your rationale. How is a line drawn between a park that's sought after by people from all around the region and a small town opera house that is being allowed? Andywho56 (talk) 03:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is usually not helpful. We're discussing whether the local park warrants mention in the article. I didn't look a the rest of the article. I just looked at what was just added. Meters (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be pretty useful, as it sets precedent for what should or should not be listed. What types of "sites of interest" do you qualify? I created a Wikipedia account today and therefore understand your hesitation to include my edit, but it seems the edit I asked for warrants inclusion more than some of the other content, and certain enough to justify it being included. Just asking for fairness here. Its not just a local park, it's an attraction used by many surrounding town residents. Andywho56 (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please stop speculating about me or my motivations. I've already told you why I removed the material. It had nothing to do with how old your account was. And again, we're discussing one particular piece of information that has been challenged. I don't think it is worth including. Make your case for including it. Why do general readers of Wikipedia want to know about your local water park?
And please start indenting your talk page posts (one colon per level of indent). Meters (talk) 04:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because any general reader who looks up Derry NH has an interest in Derry NH. The Splash Pad being one of the biggest attractions it has to offer for people inside or outside of town would therefore fit into the category of "sites of interest". I think it is worth including so wholeheartedly that I created a Wikipedia account to fix this glaring omission. Andywho56 (talk) 04:21, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And in my opinion, it's not something that is encyclopedic. It's not a historic building, or a major and widely used rail to trail conversion, or a National Historic Park, or a museum, or a State historic site like the other entries. It's just a local park, and all towns have parks. Let's see what other editors think. If consensus is to include it, that's fine with me. Meters (talk) 04:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And yet not all towns have water parks, which makes it notable. Yes, please, let's get a 3rd opinion. Andywho56 (talk) 04:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Learn how to indent your posts please. I oppose inclusion. You know damn well at least one other editor was interesred here, so WP:3O isn't an option. I oppose, per WP:NOT. The fact you like the content and think it should be here isn't relative (see WP:ILIKEIT), and presence or absence of content in another article isn't either (see WP:OSE). ONUS is on you, Andywho56, to convince any opposing editors of the utility of your preferred content based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines and reliable secondary sources. What it will likely take to convince me is reliable secondary sources from far away discussing the existence of a splash pad in Derry. John from Idegon (talk) 04:56, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As a third party, I can't see any notability. Doctorhawkes (talk) 05:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't appreciate being attacked here "You know damn well". It was Meters who suggested a 3rd party, I only concurred, so don't get pissy with me about it. I thought there were rules here regarding decorum?

I have 3 sources to share per John's request, but I'm guessing links aren't allowed here, as I've tried posting the links 4 times now. Andywho56 (talk) 15:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have tried to add them on the talk page? I don't see where you have, nor do I see rejected edits in the filter log. —C.Fred (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just tried again. It said it was published to the talk page, but nothing is appearing here. Andywho56 (talk) 16:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did not suggest a third opinion. That is a formal procedure use when two editors are deadlocked. I said we should wait for other editors to comment and reach consensus, the normal procedure for content disputes. It appears that John from Idegon understandably mistook your mention of a "3rd opinion" to a reference to WP:THIRDOPINION. Meters (talk) 19:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, thank you for clarifying that. Any insight into why I'm unable to share the links John requested? Andywho56 (talk) 01:45, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Go to the website you want, highlight and copy the URL, and paste it here. How else would you think you would do it? Generally when someone adds a two digit number to their username, it's a year that is important to them. (Anniversary, birth year, grad date). In any case, it's a fair bet you didn't grow up with a computer at hand. Basic computer skills are a requirement for contributing here. We can teach you just about anything else. Most local libraries offer computer literacy classes. John from Idegon (talk) 17:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As Meters said at the beginning of this thread, "please don't speculate". Unlike him though, I'll explain whether or not your speculation is true: No, 56 has nothing to do with my age. When I was a kid channel 56 had cartoons I liked and it just stuck as a favorite number. I absolutely grew up with technology. I have tried by now 5 times to post the URLs here, it doesn't work. Andywho56 (talk) 23:07, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Andywho56: If you can't post the links here, that indicates the sites are blacklisted. Blacklisted sites are rarely usable as reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 23:09, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I give up. Clearly you guys (Meters and John from Idegon)are set on not allowing it to post regardless. Andywho56 (talk) 23:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please indent your replies. Neither John from Idegon nor I have anything to do with whether your links are visible on this page. And if you are referring to the disputed content in the article itself, neither John not I have any more say as to whether it is included than you do (or than User:Doctorhawkes who you didn't mention). Content disputes are decided on by consensus on the talk page. You think the material should be included. I don't. We're discussing it on the talk page, and I've already said that I am perfectly willing to accept whatever the consensus is. So far there is no support for your position. Meters (talk) 20:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Look, trying to break the deadlock here. The information on the splash pad could be added to the article (use of conditional could is intentional, and not meant to convey that we have to add it, merely that it is a precondition for adding it) if Andywho56 can provide a reliable source for it. Generally, articles on localities should contain significant sites of interest in those localities, and if a reliable, independent source has noted the park in question in a significant way (say, a newspaper or magazine or travel guide discussing it) then I think that in that case only it would be allowable to add the information to the article. However, if Andywho cannot produce such sources (possibly because they don't exist) than the park in question probably isn't notable enough to be mentioned here. Splash pads and basketball courts and parks and other public spaces can be included in Wikipedia articles, but ONLY if those sites are discussed themselves in reliable, independent sources of information. Andywho originally expressed incredulity that an opera house was mentioned, the difference is that the opera house is discussed in reliable independent sources, in this case the Adams Memorial Building is a NHRP-listed building, which shows that reliable sources of information outside of the opera house itself are writing about it. A quick news search shows many articles also discussing it. If Andywho wishes to do some research and turn up some reliable sources discussing the splash pad in question (say, news articles about its funding and construction, or travel guides discussing it and reviewing it, that sort of thing) then we have a reason to add information about it to the article. --Jayron32 20:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.eagletribune.com/news/new_hampshire/hot-fun-in-the-summertime-in-derry/article_38debe45-1c84-5180-93d1-ac651d9900af.html Andywho56 (talk) 23:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.parentingnh.com/the-best-playgrounds-in-nh/ Andywho56 (talk) 23:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/995817/derry-new-hampshires-splashpad/ Andywho56 (talk) 23:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it worked as long as I only attached one link per post. Andywho56 (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Still oppose inclusion. The only reliable source is the local paper; does nothing to overcome my WP:COMMONPLACE argument. John from Idegon (talk) 01:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"...travel guides discussing it and reviewing it, that sort of thing) then we have a reason to add information about it to the article. --Jayron32"

I gave exactly what was requested to get approval. Andywho56 (talk) 03:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • From me. I'm just one person. Other people would also need convincing. You need to build consensus, and I am just me, and not any more important to the process than you are, or really, any other person on earth. --Jayron32 18:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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