Talk:Waterspout

Waterspouts are tornadoes over water

Extract from www.torro.org.uk:

"Some tornadoes form out to sea as strong waterspouts (q.v.) which sometimes cross the coast, so a waterspout may become a tornado as the twisting funnel moves from land to sea (and vice-versa). A recent powerful and well-documented example is that of Selsey on the south coast of England on the night of 7 to 8 January 1998. When the waterspout made landfall, it carved a trail of damage a kilometer wide through the town as it damaged hundreds of buildings in less than ten minutes"

Also, and extract from http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/NWSTornado/

"Waterspouts occasionally move inland becoming tornadoes causing damage and injuries."

Cleanup required

Following today's extensive edits by User:65.77.67.15 - diff, we now need a bit of clean up. The edits mostly look good, but

1. The significant changes to Waterspout vs Tornado definitions need confirmation or sourcing
2. we've lost the original references
3. lead para needs reformatting to conform with the Manual of Sytle
4. self references to Wikipedia need to be removed

Removed red link

@Pierre cb: You removed the red link I added. However, it seems to me the person is notable and an article could, and one day will, be written. Per WP:REDLINK, "Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject, or if the red link could be replaced with a link to an article section where the subject is covered as part of a broader topic".

Can you clarify, or revert yourself? Ijon (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ijon: "Wade Szilagyi" is only mentionned in the Waterspout article. There is no mention of him in any other article and thus he is does not have the notority necessary for his own article to be ever created. A link should be created only when an article has a reasonnable expectancy to be created in English Wikipedia, or be translated from other language Wikipedia, which is not the case. Leaving a red link in that circumstance is useless and it should be removed as per WP:REDLINK#Avoiding creation of certain types of red links. Pierre cb (talk) 00:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Pierre cb: I think you misinterpret the policy here. Whether or not anything already links or mentions him on Wikipedia has nothing to do with it. The test for removing a red link, as I quoted above from WP:REDLINK is whether you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject. Are you certain Szilagyi is not notable? I think he meets the general notability guideline, and is likely to one day have an article about him. There are reliable sources about his work, and he is a recognized expert in his field. I just don't have the time (and actually enough interest) to write an article right now, but I certainly want to mark his name as needing an article at some point, and encourage others to maybe write it, which is precisely the purpose of red links. I don't see that it is "useless". Unless you insist Szilagyi is definitely not notable and an article can't be written about him, I will return the red link to the article. Ijon (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ijon: As I said, he is not quoted in any other article nor other interwiki, and in litterature he is only quoted in articles for his work on waterspout (https://www.ametsoc.org/index.cfm/ams/search-results/?cx=006604013691433161533%3Acni8ugxqzym&q=Wade+Szilagyi&sa=&cof=FORID%3A11). We are not talking here of a Ted Fujita who was a world recognized expert on tornadoes with a bio as long as your arm! There is no biography, no award, etc... I am a meteorologist in Canada and as far as I know, he is a serious collegue but only known in the Ontario region where is now an administrator. His work can certainly be used as reference in an article about waterspout forecasting and/or climatology, but he is not the only one is that field. I cannot see how an article about him can go beyond that. What makes you think that anybodoby will write an article about a person only known for an obscure graphic? If this is notability why not write articles about anybody that has publish one article in scientific litterature and is just otherwise your average Joe. I did, so you think I should have my own article? Pierre cb (talk) 15:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Pierre cb: Very well, I will defer to your greater familiarity with the field. I don't think only "world recognized experts" need to have articles about them, but I have no particular interest in Szilagyi. I was just surprised at the removal of the redlink. Thanks for explaining your assessment. Ijon (talk) 20:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Water devil

Is a water devil a type of tornadic waterspout, or a synonym? Vivo (talk) 08:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

It is a dust devil on water (no clouds). Pierre cb (talk) 12:48, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Pierre cb. So there is no water in it, and the water body only serves as a surface? Vivo (talk) 08:50, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

No. There is no clouds related to it above, but it can suck water from the body of water on which it is as there is dust in a dust devil. Pierre cb (talk) 13:34, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Waterspout kills 4 secret service persons after waterspout capsizes a boat in Italy

The article states: Incidents of waterspouts causing severe damage and casualties are rare; however, there have been several notable examples.. This week, a boat in Italy's Lago Maggiore capsized and 4 died, all on the boat were curiously related to the secret services of Italy or Israel: CNN AncientWalrus (talk) 19:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)