Talk:November 19, 2004 disturbance at The Palace of Auburn Hills

This should DEFINITLEY have it's own article. I personally prefer "Palace Revolt" or something like that. It's definitley a watershed moment in American sports.

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This isn't an encyclopedia article, it's a news story. How's about merging it into the NBA, Pacers, or Pistons article? --Calton 00:37, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Serious incidents of this nature usually get their own articles. This sort of thing is extraordinary, especially by American standards. I originally tried stuffing it all into violence in sports, but I soon realized there is just too much information. --Rupertslander 00:56, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It should definitely be its own article. This event is likely to change the NBA as we know it. That said, I really hate this article name. You would have no idea from the title (unless you just knew what happened) that this was a fight during a basketball game. Can't we just call it 2004 Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons fight or something? I'm willing to entertain ideas... RADICALBENDER★ 02:07, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Personally, I don't really care what the article is called. I thought fight and brawl might be seen as playing down the incident (since basketball's "fights" and "brawls" are normally confined to the players), but I thought riot might be perceived as harsh terminology by some. By comparison, disturbance is a relatively broad and inoffensive term. If there is consensus to change it, then by all means do so. The problem with 2004 Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons fight is that might suggest the incident to be solely among the players, which was clearly not the case here. --Rupertslander 04:06, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

How about Altercation during the November 19, 2004 Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons NBA game? That was pulled from the title of Stern's press release (but with the date and "NBA" added). It's not any shorter, but it's a bit more clearer as to what the event was. We should probably start sorting out redirects, too... RADICALBENDER★ 18:08, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The incident has been given the moniker "The Malice at the Palace" by ESPN. Perhaps that could be part of the title?

"The Malice at the Palace" never really caught on though. It was used for a few days just like "Basket-brawl". I think disturbance does not really convey the severity of the event though. What about something along the lines of "November 19, 2004 Player-Fan Brawl at The Palace of Auburn Hills"?Ewhite77 18:58, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

I think the title is fine the way it is. My only nitpick is that the "D" in "disturbance" should be capitalized.

The chair thrower

Though I don't remember his name off-hand, they may have identified the chair thrower... Ranma9617 06:35, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fan who was punched by Jermaine O'neal

The fan Oneal punched was not the fan who had been punched previously by Artest, as suggested in the article, but a friend of said fan who charged onto the court at the same time.