Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/River Oaks Elementary School, Houston
River Oaks Elementary School, Houston[edit]
Please, it's an elementary school. Can we delete it? Please, please, please? And it's not notable, really! RickK 05:27, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Houston Independent School District. -- Netoholic @ 06:43, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)
- Merge on the assumption that there's anything worth saving, but delete the original article. The title doesn't fit the naming conventions and a disambig page for "River Oaks Elementary School" might turn out to be as long as my arm. - Lucky 6.9 07:35, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete as unnotable, even though it is a real school which some seem to think matters. Though I don't know why that should matter. We have articles on non-real schools like Hogwarts. We don't have articles very often on real ordinary streets. Jallan 18:14, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- RickK, I don't see why you always have to try and delete things that are barely known, non-notable, and unlikely to ever be cared for or about. I mean, Wikipedia isn't paper, so it is supposed to have all manners of nonsense in it, because the only criteria that counts, as you know, is whether it is paper or not, and, as you know, it is not. Unless you printed it out, in which case, it would be, and the rules would change. I bet you'll try to delete the article I was planning to write about the street light at the corner of my street as well, you fascist. I mean, Jesus Christ, what if someone wants to know about it? Anyway as we know, Wikipedia is not paper. I am not sure exactly what it is (silicon? some sort of cybernetic/informational construct? a way of being?) but it certainly isn't paper. Unless, of course, you print it out. But I don't know anything about that, you damned deletionist. (Delete ;-) ) --Fastfission 03:57, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Clearly schools rate low on your interests Rick, but chill, because other people find places of learning that influence thousands of people potentially interesting. Sure, you can write a bad stub on a school, but let them blossom, if for no other reason than you're risking a coronorary, and annoying a lot of people who value these places. Mark Richards 06:56, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I believe Fastfission is being humorous. It's not a bad article, as far as elementary school articles go, decently well written and all that, just a shame there's not really anything other than strictly local interest about it. Delete. Average Earthman 12:29, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I do believe I see a little smiley near the end of Fastfission's post, with an HTML tag of font size -3. I suggest using something like this in future:
[[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 23:08, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Non-notable. --G Rutter 14:56, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. --Improv 19:34, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Would be a borderline article if it were a high school, but this is an elementary school. BEEFSTEW items: A, B, C, D, F, H; score, 6/10. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 22:34, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I like your system of evaluating school articles... Does your delete vote suggest that there is no hope of this article improving such that it can remain? A score of 6/10 seems good, what is your "cut-off"? -- Netoholic @ 23:32, 2004 Sep 26 (UTC)
- Well, I belong to the faction that believes that for high schools we should be selective, and middle schools and elementary schools should be out. Unless they are not merely notable, but downright world-famous and historically important. Froebel's first kindergarten, or Montessori's very first school, or something like that. That's what I think, and that's how I'll vote. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:23, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I like your system of evaluating school articles... Does your delete vote suggest that there is no hope of this article improving such that it can remain? A score of 6/10 seems good, what is your "cut-off"? -- Netoholic @ 23:32, 2004 Sep 26 (UTC)
- Keep - A real school is a genuine community of (sometimes) thousands of people that has an impact that lasts the rest of their lives. There is always something unique and notable about such a community, the only thing that can be said in favor of deletion is that the deleter is not interested. It is their right to hold that point of view, but move on, don't prevent others from reading it. Mark Richards 06:47, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comment. The community is gone for most people after about four years. That community is not the high school. Please point out any high school article that covers such a "community". How could articles on these individual communities be written? Do you recommend an article for each high school for each year of its existance, a kind of mini-yearbook? That's the only answer I can see if you consider such "communities" encyclopedic. A general article of reasonable length on the high school I attended would not cover the community that I remember. It would be useless for that purpose. As for "the only thing that can be said in favor of deletition is that the deleter is not interested" — people here can and are using other arguments and have never used that one. I don't think "can be said" means what you think it does. Jallan 14:14, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Inconceivable. You have a right to be uninterested in schools. Please respect others interest in them and don't deny them the opportunity to write factual, neutral articles about important educational institutions. If you don't like them, don't read them. Mark Richards 01:06, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comment Mark Richards, have you personally attended: 1) your college reunion; 2) your high school reunion; 3) your junior high school or middle school reunion; 4) your elementary school reunion? 5) your nursery school reunion? Is your name and address on file with a) your college alumni association; b) your high school alumni association; c) your junior high school or middle school alumni association; d) your elementary school alumni association? e) your nursery school alumni association? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 14:47, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Some, but so what? It's not about whether or not I do, its about whether the information is factual and of possible interest. Mark Richards 01:06, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- It is not Wikipedia's policy to include all articles that "are factual and of possible interest." Please reread Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 13:09, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Good point. I hope you don't mind if I vote with you very often on school articles. Delete Cool Hand Luke 18:34, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Mark Richards again ignores the arguments actually made, responding again with an implied strawman accusation that people are voting against things they personally are not interested in. It is not a matter of whether the material is of interest to particular people. It is the perceived virtual impossiblity of writing an encyclopedic article on most schools, if you want to cover the community aspect which was Mark Richard's point, without going into a degree of granularity that is not encyclopedic, such as an article for every school year Being factual and of possible interest are not enough according to Wikipedia policies. Notability counts. For schools that are in some way notable, it is possible to write an article on why they are notable. Ordinary schools like ordinary people just aren't encyclopedic. Mark Richards could disprove us by writing a school article to show we are wrong. I wouldn't mind if a model article could be created for a normal high school, one which could be linked to as an example of what a high school article should be for a normal high school. Show me I'm wrong by showing me a clear example of a good encyclopedic article covering a normal high school (and not one mostly telling me what about last year and this year) and not a short stub that looks like a yellow page listing. Most high school articles that come to VfD are just school vanity stubs. 22:12, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Some, but so what? It's not about whether or not I do, its about whether the information is factual and of possible interest. Mark Richards 01:06, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comment. The community is gone for most people after about four years. That community is not the high school. Please point out any high school article that covers such a "community". How could articles on these individual communities be written? Do you recommend an article for each high school for each year of its existance, a kind of mini-yearbook? That's the only answer I can see if you consider such "communities" encyclopedic. A general article of reasonable length on the high school I attended would not cover the community that I remember. It would be useless for that purpose. As for "the only thing that can be said in favor of deletition is that the deleter is not interested" — people here can and are using other arguments and have never used that one. I don't think "can be said" means what you think it does. Jallan 14:14, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I remember that Jeff Bezos, the notable alumn listed, attended the 75th anniversary of the school. And I remembered hearing about it over the radio. I'm unsure if that would make the article notable enough or not. WhisperToMe 22:14, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)