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"Modernist art movements" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Modernist art movements and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 18#Modernist art movements until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Veverve (talk) 19:21, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Footnotes section[edit]

I'm puzzled by the entire Footnotes section of the article. First, with footnote "a", it appears that much of this text may be direct quotes from an article by Graff (without distinguishing between two different articles referenced), but are not so indicated with quotation marks. Then footnote "c" is either an entire mini-essay written by an unattributed editor, or an editor's précis of two referenced pages from a book by "Steiner (1998)" with no first name or book title provided. Are people just writing their own stuff here? Milkunderwood (talk) 11:17, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anything about philosophy[edit]

... in the article, excepting the lede? Or is "modernism" in philosophy actually a straw man thrown out there by postmodernists to decapitate? Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 07:45, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rursus, I find your comment interesting. I have been thinking about the relationship between modernism as a religious movement and the how the word is used in relation to art, music, literature, etc. That is how the word "modernism" has been used in recent times. Is modernism an ideology or a philosophy? I certainly think that there is room to improve this article. Rwood128 (talk) 12:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I note that I commented on this, under "Origins", earlier this year. I have been gathering stuff, but I haven't found the time yet to shape the research into anything. Rwood128 (talk) 12:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your interest in the matter. I'm not qualified to write about it, but I think there is actually a fuzzy but somewhat coherent image out there about a "modernism". This link is effectively unusable, but gives some hints to me: What is modernist philosophy? Some of the commentors have credentials that are acceptable to me. This site MODERNISM AND POSTMODERNISM gives the impression that modernism is about scrutinizing statements of old by a "critical mind" and "empirical observations" in order to get an updated understanding of something, but I don't know if that is part of modernism. For me the notion is termed "natural philosophy" as regards to maths, physics, astronomy and perhaps chemistry, and I don't quite get the connection of that to Catholic Modernism, since that occurred much later. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 14:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Religion; Sexology[edit]

1. The term "modernism" is initially used in the nineteenth century to describe a reformist movement in the Catholic Church and later adopted by others. The article, until recently, has ignored this.

2.There is also no discussion of the relationship between ideas about sexuality and modernism, especially in relation to literature and the struggle of modernist writers with censorship. Rwood128 (talk) 12:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Marisauna re the recent revert: the opening sentence reads: "Modernism is a philosophical, religious, and arts movement that arose from broad transformations in Western society during the late 19th and early 20th centuries." Maybe the article needs to make the connection between these associated usages more explicit? There were similar objection to modernism in the arts as there was in the Catholic church. Science was an important factor in the conflict between those who advocated for modernism in religion, and in the arts, and those who opposed them. --Rwood128 (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the article needs to discuss these usages more explicitly. The standard and Catholic usages of the term are different, but do have similarities, especially that both leverage science in some capacity and are trying to respond to rapidly changing times. I do not think it would be wise, though, to conflate the two without sufficient evidence. As a practicing Catholic with a moderate interest in theology, I've only ever seen this conflation called out and corrected when it is brought up. In my opinion, conflation might follow a radical-traditionalist point of view, but not a more normative Catholic one. Marisauna (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]