Talk:Neoliberalism

Please make page: flexible economic model, economic eclecticism

Most Western countries are flexible with some inertia after the change in conditions.

They might exhibit even Keynesianism while maintaining neoliberalism. Actually governments adjust the percentages of eclecticism. We are supposed to (also) write what actually happens, and not only present idealized theories.

Recent edits by SPAs

Recent edits by unconstructive WP:SPA's have crammed in massive amounts of WP:OFFTOPIC material that reads more like a school project rather than an encyclopedic entry [1]. One of them is edit warring and not discussing their edits on talk as requested in my edit summaries. I propose the article be rolled back to the last clean version before their first edits. I would do this myself but don't wish to edit war.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 16:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Could you clarify? Your link to the proposed version was a diff. Did you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neoliberalism&oldid=1154305944? North8000 (talk) 17:00, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry. The version from May 2 is the one I was suggesting we roll back to. As it stands now, this subsection is by far the largest in the article. The vast majority of this material is superfluous and not needed. What is of value can be restored incrementally. Edit: And for further clarification I would only roll back that subsection on the Middle East and not the whole article, as the subsequent copy edits by user-duck et al have improved the quality of the article.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 17:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Also it looks like there were over 20 edits by other experienced editors including @User-duck: and @Cdjp1: after that date. Their input would be good to get on this. North8000 (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Roll back is the easy way out for someone who does not want to do the work. I saw the warring but it is outside the scope of what I am doing, which is too improve the presentation of the material by copy editing. Since I am not a "subject matter expert" (I do not know what they are called by wikipedians, I had to look up SPA), I do not know what is "off topic". I am sure it would take less time to remove the material then I (User-duck) and Cdjp1 have spent cleaning up the cites and referencing. Thanks, @North8000: for pinging me. User-duck (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty much with User-duck on this, I know no-where near enough around the section under discussion to comment on it's viability, and mainly just come to this article to tidy up referencing. If a roll-back is the easiest way to do things, I'll just come back afterwards to tidy up the referencing again. Sorry I can't be of more help. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the section is much larger than it should be for the top level Neoliberalism article. It is also written in the style of person expounding on the topic rather than an encyclopedia covering the topic. It also looks like it could use a copyvio check and one for robot generation. Some feedback from the editors who put this in might be good on those questions and on helping pare it down. Otherwise maybe the section should be reverted as you suggest and interested editors can put a smaller amount of enclyclopedic material back in. Also noting that the two accounts/editors were both created Feb 9th 2023. North8000 (talk) 18:08, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

It looks like pretty much the whole article (declined as being essaylike) at Draft:Neoliberalism in the Middle East and North Africa was dropped in here without trying to size it appropriately for this article. North8000 (talk) 18:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, C.J. Griffins proposal is to revert that ONE SUBSECTION to the May 2nd version North8000 (talk) 15:54, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I did that. North8000 (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

With regards to this topic when coming to learn some basic information on what neoliberalism is. Instead, the entire article is a word salad which may be of interest to someone with a PhD in Political Science. But to the average reader it's just reams of mush, with off page links to almost everything except the one part of the salad which is indecipherable: "pejorative valence". Editors please remember this wiki is read by people of all levels and topics should be of value to each. Kairho(talk) 09:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate content?

Greetings, Today while working on article de-orphaning, I found article Neoliberalism in the Middle East & North Africa that looks like content of Neoliberalism (MENA) section here. Temporarily I added a "Further" tag pointing to that MENA article. Any one is welcome to change that Further to "Main" instead. Perhaps content here can be condensed, as the MENA section here is already tagged as too long & excess detail. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

See above. Looks like they went straight to article space after getting declined at AFC. I have no problem with that, it looks like it should be an article. But I think we should zap it out of this one. North8000 (talk) 19:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Context?

Why neoliberalism is only applied to economical context, but not social context?182.2.140.147 (talk) 08:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Material at Quinn Slobodian

Quinn Slobodian contains an incomplete yet overly detailed summary of a book by that author, Globalists: The End of Empire and the Birth of Neoliberalism, much of which probably belongs here if anywhere. Mporter (talk) 20:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

No mention of Higher Education?

There is no mention here of higher education and credentialing -- enrollments track incarceration, right?

There are two recent books by Michael Lind -- another outspoken conservative critic of neoliberalism -- that contextualize what he calls the "credential arms race" in terms of declining situation of workers brought on by the post-New Deal shift to neoliberalism. "The New Class War" (2020) and "Hell to Pay" (2023) 182.2.140.147 (talk) 08:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC) 50.4.132.185 (talk) 17:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)