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Van-Lennep (1875)[edit]

If no vaild objection made against it, I will remove Van-Lennep (1875) from the article. It is largely based on biblical sources and the quotes here are taken out of context anyway. And WP:AGE MATTERS. Shmayo (talk) 11:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Shmayo (talk) 11:12, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be obsessed with sharing propaganda and lies about Arameans. Shouldn't you search another hobby @Shmayo? Maybe you should stop sharing lies and propaganda about Arameans. 62.225.231.92 (talk) 17:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Babylonia[edit]

The current subsection on Arameans in Babylonia (see below) seems very generic, with little to no information on Arameans. Streck (2014) describes what is known on Arameans in Babylonia (not necessarily under Neo-Babylonian rule). A rewrite based on Streck should be considered.

Current subsection on Arameans in Babylonia

Eber-Nari was then ruled by the succeeding Neo-Babylonian Empire (612–539 BCE), which was initially headed by a short-lived Chaldean dynasty. The Aramean regions became a battleground between the Babylonians and the 26th Dynasty of Egypt, which had been installed by the Assyrians as vassals after they had defeated and ejected the previous Nubian-ruled 25th Dynasty. The Egyptians, having entered the region in a belated attempt to aid their former Assyrian masters, fought the Babylonians, initially with the help of remnants of the Assyrian army, in the region for decades before they were finally vanquished.

The Babylonians remained masters of the Aramean lands only until 539 BCE, when the Persian Achaemenid Empire overthrew Nabonidus, the Assyrian-born last king of Babylon, who had himself overthrown the Chaldean dynasty in 556 BCE.

Shmayo (talk) 08:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shmayo’s lies and propaganda[edit]

Article is full with user Shmayo’s lies and manipulation. Shmayo’s goal here is to weaken the Aramean identity to make it look like the modern Aramean people are Assyrians. 185.224.57.167 (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please remain WP:CIVIL. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 15:43, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disinformation[edit]

Page is fully written from an ‘Assyrian’ POV. This page is full of disinformation. 185.224.57.167 (talk) 22:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute resolution[edit]

IP editors, Shmayo, Kristian Lahdo, please stop any disruptive editing and seek dispute resolution on the talk page. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 15:47, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shmayo should stop pushing an Assyrian POV on the Arameans page (and other Syriac/Aramean pages). He reverts any edit that improves the page. If you look at the history of the page you can see how Shmayo slowly/frequently replaced information to misinform others. 79.193.207.235 (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give actual evidence? What constitutes an "Assyrian POV"? Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 22:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Shmayo is pushing an Assyrian POV, then I wonder what that makes the IP, who just attempted to remove sourced info [1]. In fact, this article is constantly plagued by IPs and brand new users. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let me show you:

The Assyrian POV weakens the Aramean identity, name, ethnicity etc. The goal is to gain more popularity on the Assyrian name and to make it look like modern Arameans are Assyrians instead.

Mostly Shmayo and Musgalot (but also other Assyrian editors) write and share disinformation about the Arameans. They misinform and confuse readers with using wikipedia for their Assyrian nationalist propaganda/agenda by limiting/minimizing/manipulating information about the Arameans.

The goal is to make it look like the modern Arameans don't exist. Some propaganda is sourced but the sources used to substantiate this could we call cherry picking.

Some examples:

- Shmayo and Mugsalot added Hebrew and Ancient Greek to the introduction to confuse people about the (real) [Aramaic] language of the Arameans.

- Sourced information got deleted by Shmayo when he edited the Arameans page.

- The map of the Aramaic language is in Dutch, why isn't the English version of the same map used The: Initial area of Aramaic language in the 1st century, and its gradual decline

- Sources that confirm that strengthen anything about Arameans gets deleted.

- On the page Terms for Syriac Christians the Assyrian identity part has of course a well written overview but when any editor wants to fill or strengthen the Aramean identity or view the hypocrisy of the Assyrian nationalists like Shmayo emerges. Also that page is written from an Assyrian POV. You can look for proof in the talk page or history page of it.

An example is an editor who wrote this: You see, if you are going to take out all indications of history from Arameans then the same will happen to Assyrians. The Aramean identity section is too small and there is always an Assyrian "nationalist" ready to chop it off.

The Arameans were never a single nation or group; rather, Aram was a region with local centers of power spread throughout the Levant. That makes it almost impossible to establish a coherent ethnic category of “Aramean” based on extra-linguistic identity markers such as material culture, lifestyle or religion.

This is propaganda that could only be written by an Assyrian nationalist. Ofcourse, the sources used to substantiate this is called cherry picking. 79.193.207.235 (talk) 12:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2023[edit]

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In the paragraph under the "Religion" heading, there are two typos in the following sentence: "It appears from their inscriptions and their names that thé Arameans worshipped Canaanite and Mesopotamian gods such as Hadad, Sin, Ishtar (whivh they called Astarte)...."

"thé" should be rewritten as "the"

"whivh" should be written as "which" 2600:4040:9518:5A00:78C1:743D:4E73:FC53 (talk) 03:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia! NotAGenious (talk) 19:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can I add a part about Syriac vs Aramean[edit]

Can I add a part about how the Arameans and adopted the term ‘Syrian’? 195.67.91.211 (talk) 13:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you source it, go ahead. Dimadick (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A small suggestion[edit]

I think it would be a good idea to add Aromanians along with Armenians to the 'Not be confused with' entry at the top of the article. As words Aromanians and Arameans are very close to and perhaps easily confused with each other. Both relate to groups which are much less well known than Armenians in my view. I hope this is non-contentious. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 11:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]