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Music of Nigeria[edit]
Shaikh This was nominated recently, but didn't pass. I've made some changes, as much as I can. I can't find any photos releasable on the 'pedia, but it has two fair use album covers. There were also two comments about the lack of technical details regarding rhythm and Afrobeat. I have added a bit on both topics, but neither are particularly distinct to Nigeria. Aside from the Kutis, I think Afrobeat is more or less an English speaking West African thing, and not a specifically Nigerian thing. The same issue applies to complex rhythms, the details of which would be more appropriate at music of Africa than music of Nigeria. In any case, there is substantial info on both topics here. Here's the old nomination. Tuf-Kat 18:53, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
- Support. Looks well written, though I cannot comment more on the material itself. The only thing is the very large number of red links leads me to believe there are many that are redlinked, but may not really be notable enough for their own article. I could be wrong, but consider unlinking some/many. - Taxman 03:50, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
- I removed a couple of the summary style links, but none of the links in the body. While I'm certainly no expert on Nigerian music, I think all these subjects deserve articles (certainly topics of comparable importance in American or British music, or even Swedish or Japanese music, already have articles). The red-links are unattractive, but may entice casual users to write articles. Tuf-Kat 01:12, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
- Object. Good article, but there's still a few problems. It links summary style to articles that don't exist. The lead could do with a bit of work (as an example, the lead sentence basically describes the music of Nigeria as being only folk music). There's some strange formatting in the instruments section, and it could do with a general copyedit. There's also some POV problems - quite a bit of the history reads like someone's opinion. The red links, however, are IMO completely forgivable - systemic bias issues comes with the territory. Ambi 12:38, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Changed first sentence. The instrument formatting was normal, but someone changed it during the last nomination. I thought that was maybe preferred, so I didn't revert, but have changed it back now -- the only benefit of the old way was shortening the ToC. I did a general copyedit, including toning down some possibly POV parts. I'll see if I can fill in some of the summary-style links. Tuf-Kat 22:55, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
- Removed some summary links that aren't typically used in this way on "music of" articles (e.g. Nigerian musical instruments) and filled in one, on apala. The remaining that aren't written are yo-pop, Nigerian reggae, waka music and afro-juju; these are all relatively minor and recent subjects, so I don't think represent major holes. Also, I can't find much info that isn't already in the article. Is this better? Tuf-Kat
- It's much improved after the copyedit, but I still think the lead section is a bit convoluted, and there's still quite a few instances of odd wording (i.e. Among the Igbo people, Ghanaian highlife became popular in the early 1950s). There's also some statements that are just crying out for a source. The summary links are much better now, too.Ambi 04:52, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Removed some summary links that aren't typically used in this way on "music of" articles (e.g. Nigerian musical instruments) and filled in one, on apala. The remaining that aren't written are yo-pop, Nigerian reggae, waka music and afro-juju; these are all relatively minor and recent subjects, so I don't think represent major holes. Also, I can't find much info that isn't already in the article. Is this better? Tuf-Kat
- Changed first sentence. The instrument formatting was normal, but someone changed it during the last nomination. I thought that was maybe preferred, so I didn't revert, but have changed it back now -- the only benefit of the old way was shortening the ToC. I did a general copyedit, including toning down some possibly POV parts. I'll see if I can fill in some of the summary-style links. Tuf-Kat 22:55, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
- Object, particularly based on lead section's second paragraph. "Like almost all African music" is weasel-wordy and saying that "all" Nigerian music uses polyrhythms is too categorical unless you've got sources to back it up. In general, it's a sign that this part needs to be rewritten. Also, the discussion of rhythmic techniques needs to have a better understanding of its terminology; the stress on weak beats mentioned as "rhythmic displacement" is in fact the textbook example of syncopation, which is also cited separately using a slightly different and awkwardly worded example. --Michael Snow 06:31, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Changed this paragraph, and have cited two bits. Tuf-Kat 04:06, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
- Object (sorry, didn't realise this was on WP:PR and FAC. Once the following are fixed, I'm most happy to give an enthusiastic support!
- In the lead section it says: "pan-West African development of highlife and palm-wine music" - what does "pan-West" mean?
- In "Hausa" you have the word "complexly". Is that a word? :P
- What are "Praise singers"? I'm not familiar with that term... - Ta bu shi da yu 05:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)