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Filippo Brunelleschi[edit]

It's me again and I just wanted to say that I'm makeing a project on Filippo Brunelleschi and i'm learning that he is a pretty cool guy (he built the largest masonry dome in the world, the Santa Maria del Fiore), thats all. Wizkid1

Hey guys, do any of you guys know where I can find some primary sources on Brunelleschi? I am doing a History paper on him and I have not been able to find one document specifically written about him while he was alive. The closest thing is a book by Vasari but it was written 104 years after Brunelleschi died. any suggestions. The Paper is due middle of November '07. Any help will be greatly appreciated. I know a lot about him already, I just need the sources to bring credibility to my arguments. 09/08/07. Agnobles

Filippo Brunelleschi[edit]

I'm working on a project on Filippo and I was wondering if anyone had any websites that would help me with my reseach if any one has any information please leave a comment...Thank you

How interesting is this? I am also doing a project on Brunelleschi and I have a question about the doors to the baptistry, did he do it or did he let the other guy do it? Sites on the internet say either this or that. Any real fact you have?

Ghiberti got the door job. And remember to sign and date your posts; I have no idea if this information is helpful to you because I don't know how old this post is.--DarshaAssant 10:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

Why does this article get vandalised more than other comparable articles, e.g. other past architects? AWhiteC 21:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know but it does seem to get hit frequently - just look at the history in the last few days alone. What to do? NickInBigD (Hey!) 22:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article has a long "What links here" list; maybe that's the reason it tends to be more targeted than other articles. What to do? Some people, like us, need to have it on our watch lists; "Friends of Brunelleschi"? AWhiteC 23:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that Vasari gets a lot of vandalism too. Maybe it's frustrated school kids who are aggravate about their art research assignments. NickInBigD (Hey!) 05:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably it. I had to revert to an older version again. I came across this when working on a paper for AP European History - I shouldn't use Wikipedia for this kind of thing, I always spend longer making revisions here than on my own essays! Ministry of Silly Walks 02:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

multiple breakthroughs by Brunnelesci[edit]

the breakthrough level of Brunellesci is not shown in the article as for these next major inventions/ reinventions

as where no one could figure out to build the dome of the Duomo in Florence, Italy without internal supports all way down to the floor (that dome is up 200 feet in the air way way high up) but Bruenlesci did it , figured it out, by herring bone pattern of brick laying which spreads the weight evenly and in balance, without needing to have internal support for the dome

IF YOU "ADD" ALSO chains about the dome that HOLD IN the outward push of the weight... figured out by Brunellesci having studied the Pantheon in Rome including its iron collar which also acts to hold in the outward push of its dome's weight ... (Pantheon has an unsupported dome 150 feet high and also with no internal supports)

these things today no one can understand and understand the precise weight and method of solving the outward push problem except by using a computer ...

also a 3rd brunelesci huge invention that is claimed changed all architecture is his figuring out and understnading "single point perspective" ... mentioned in the article but needing further explanation here in these notes or the article by an expert...

it is claimed this changed architecture from then until to today and onward into the future ... esp allowing putting down on paper architectual plans while before that was not able to be done...

(the history channel has info on this or history engineering channel) note the Greeks IT APPEARS TO ME understood all this from the get go as DEMONSTRATED by the Parthenon with its multiple inventions of using curves in perspective to appear to the mind as correct when in fact entirely curved as the column curves in the Parthenon and the bldgs length wise "bow" or curve... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.216.68.176 (talk) 08:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patents[edit]

A few suggested improvements regarding his patent or patents:

  • The mention of Brunelleschi's first patent ("Brunelleschi was granted the 1st modern patent for his invention of a river transport vessel") is an apparent non sequitur tacked on to the section on construction of the dome. I take it he invented the vessel to assist in the construction of the dome, and if so, the connection ought to be made explicit. Perhaps this should be moved to the following section, where the vessel (Il Badalone) is mentioned but the patent is not.
  • The significance of the patent in the history of intellectual property could also be better emphasized. See, for example, http://www.cpaglobal.com/ip-review-online/widgets/notes_quotes/more/2002 or http://www.ibiblio.org/patents/txt/032994.txt. I gather that prior "letters patent" were granted providing exclusive rights, but that this was the first one based on someone's own inventiveness, rather than giving an exclusive right to employ existing technology. Also, unlike later patents, Brunelleschi wasn't required to divulge the details to the patent authority prior to the grant.
  • It's not clear (either here or from my other reading) whether the patent for the hoist device is a separate patent, or whether the hoist was actually part of the vessel.

I can try to make these changes myself but don't have time right now to verify things. -- Sharpner (talk) 14:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds useful and relevant. I would suggest making those changes and verifying (with references) later when time permits. AWhiteC (talk) 22:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cosimo Medici[edit]

Why is there nothing on Cosimo's patronage of Brunelleschi. Is it not because of Medici that Brunelleschi was able to work on the church? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.138.62 (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is mention in Cosimo de' Medici of the latter funding Brunelleschi's work on the cathedral dome. Perhaps that is enough. More however could be said about Medici rule and patronage, as in Strathern's book on the subject. AWhiteC (talk) 00:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
??? If there is mention, I certainly don't see it; a quick use of an internet browser finder shows that the words "Cosimo" and "Medici" are nowhere to be found in this article. I find this to be absolutely incredible, considering how Brunelleschi's career as an architect was almost exclusively the result of Medici patronage, when other elite Florentine families wanted nothing to do with the man. Judging from this alone, I would say this article needs serious work because it leaves out critical information. Readers unfamiliar with the topic will not be able to understand how Brunelleschi even became successful.--Pericles of AthensTalk 01:25, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You sound as if you know more than I do. I think it's over to you to contribute ... we (or certainly I) will not be critical – be bold. AWhiteC (talk) 14:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page vandalized[edit]

Not sure why anyone would vandalize this page, but they did. (Removed "His brother Pedro was a real jerk who always used the clean toilet brush. And his sister died in a car accident.") Levalley (talk) 03:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image replaced - temporarily[edit]

I decided to replace the picture of the statue of Brunelleschi with a subset image showing head and torso only. This is an experiment intended to last about a week to see if it somehow (don't ask me how) reduces the extraordinary number of vandal-attacks this page gets. If it seems to work, I might just leave it, though. AWhiteC (talk) 20:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to have worked, so I decided to restore the original picture but placed it further down the page, and changed the infobox picture to a portrait I found on the Italian Wikipedia. AWhiteC (talk) 21:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

architect or "designer"?[edit]

I would be interested to know why Brunelleschi is defined in the article as a "designer"? Is the word "architect" not suitable enough for one of the most famous architects of all times? Am I not understanding someting in the foreign english language? thanks! --Horia mar (talk) 18:07, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Developing this Article[edit]

This article should be edited for conciseness and preciseness, though the existing information is accurate and draws upon several valuable sources. The existing article is appropriate and fairly well written, although the first section under the header "As an architect" ought to be edited and refined. On the whole, the content in the article is relevant and presented neutrally. Some of the existing sources are not scholarly, or are simply encyclopedic. Source links could be updated in some cases, as there are several broken or missing links.

Unfortunately, there is a great deal more information about Brunelleschi and his works that is not included in this article; for example, much more could be written about Brunelleschi's involvement in the construction of the dome at Santa Maria del Fiore. The best way to improve what exists is to develop the existing information and add information from new sources. Grevs152 (talk) 20:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you add in some material about the construction of the dome, citing from a good source? AWhiteC (talk) 22:53, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Inventions[edit]

Hi! I want to add a bit more about the machines Brunelleschi invented and how they were used in construction. He was more than an architect, he was also an incredible engineer and some things, like his hoists and herringbone brick laying pattern, changed how cathedrals could be built at the time.

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