Talk:Francesco Maria Veracini

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Francesco's uncle Antonio gets his own article in the Grove, though only his printed violin music survives. I don't know if anyone will want to write an article on him, so I decided to make his name a link, just in case. Dmetric 19:14, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Corri?[edit]

Corri: "La Clemenza di Tito, on a libretto by Corri based on one by Pietro Metastasio." Who's this? Not the familiar Domenico Corri (1746-1825).--Wetman (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How on earth?[edit]

Jeremy Kohl acts like a policeman. In the first place he is not an early music lover, but someone who likes Stockhausen. Why are you interested in Veracini? Could you explain your effort on this article? To improve the article seems not be your goal. Taksen (talk) 14:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC) On the German Wikipedia is an article on Adriano in Siria. It has an interesting table, please go there and try to improve the information here. [1] That would be helpful.14:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Permit me a small correction: my given name is Jerome, not Jeremy (unless of course you are referring to someone else). Second, on what do you base your claim that I am "not an early music lover"? Is there a reason why a listener who likes Stockhausen may not like any other kind of music? I am interested in Veracini for several reasons, not the least of which is that I have over many years played his twelve sonatas for recorder and continuo, and regard them as being among the most original and finely crafted works for the instrument from the Italian repertory of the first decades of the 18th century (the equal of or better than the contemporary sonatas of Mancini, Alessandro Scarlatti, and Vivaldi). I am also interested in his violin sonatas for much the same reason, though I cannot play the violin myself. I have not heard a single note of any of his operas, though I know something of their history, and on the strength of his instrumental music am very curious about them, and why they have fared so poorly up to now in the revival of Baroque opera. Finally, my effort on this article lately has been mainly to make the references consistent in format. In the process, I discovered some external links to sites that did not seem to verify the claims to which they are attached. The Manchester Library link, for example, tells us only that they are closed for renovation at the present time. I do not see what this has to do with Veracini at all.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 21:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vertonungen[edit]

Hey Jerome, how is your German? I was listening to this opera last Saturday evening on a German Radio Station Deutschlandradio Kultur.[2] It was broadcasted on Ö1 a week before.[3] In a Krakow Theatre Fabio Biondi performed this opera last December.[4][5] Also in Madrid Veracini's (best) opera was performed.[6] The next recording project of Europa Galante included Francesco Maria Veracini’s opera Adriano in Siria (which will be recorded live with a top class cast including Genaux, Hallenberg, Prina and Basso).[7] On YouTube you can find at least four aria's from this opera [8] and a duet.[9] Some were uploaded only a week ago. (Unfortunately they did not upload more alt and bass arias. Ugo Guagliardo had beautiful arias and he is a remarkable singer.)

  • I can hardly appreciate Wikipedians with an attitude like: "I have never heard this before, so it cannot be true". Besides the (English) Wikipedia has so many rules, it became impossible to improve an article with what is new. It looks to me some people prefer to stay dumb, rather than accept anything new.
  • Your tone changed, but I think it is your turn to improve the article with the references I left here, rather than me getting involved into another edit war.
  • This article has been visited 200 times last weekend. Also on the German Wikipedia there is more attention. [10][11] A "fight" helps to get attention for Biondi's new project.
  • Hopefully there will be someone who can adjust this table and import it somewhere into the article.Taksen (talk) 04:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Taksen (talk) 04:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Folgende Komponisten legten dieses Libretto ihrer Oper Adriano in Siria zugrunde:

Jahr Komponist Erstaufführung Aufführungsort Anmerkungen
1732 Caldara, AntonioAntonio Caldara 1732, Hoftheater[1] Wien
1733 Giacomelli, GeminianoGeminiano Giacomelli 1733[2] Venedig
1734 Sandoni, Pier GiuseppePier Giuseppe Sandoni 17341734, Karneval, Teatro da S. Agostino[3] Genua
1734 Pergolesi, Giovanni BattistaGiovanni Battista Pergolesi 173425. Oktober 1734, Teatro San Bartolomeo[4] Neapel mit den Intermezzi Livietta e Tracollo, auch bekannt als La contadina astuta (Die schlaue Bäuerin; Tommaso Mariani)
1735 Veracini, Francesco MariaFrancesco Maria Veracini 1735.1126. November 1735, King’s Theatre[5] London
1735 Duni, EgidioEgidio Duni 1735.1227. Dezember 1735, Teatro di Tordinona[6] Rom
1737 Broschi, RiccardoRiccardo Broschi 1737 Stuttgart komponiert 1735?, UA Mailand?
1737 Ferrandini Giovanni Battista Ferrandini 1737, Karneval[7] München
1737 Porta, GiovanniGiovanni Porta 1737, Teatro ducale[8] Mantua Nicht mehr vollständig erhalten
1739 Ristori, Giovanni AlbertoGiovanni Alberto Ristori 173919. Dezember 1739[9] Neapel
1740 Galuppi, BaldassareBaldassare Galuppi 1740.01Januar 1740[10] Turin
1740 Giai, Giovanni AntonioGiovanni Antonio Giai 1740.021740, Karneval, Teatro Grimandi di S. Giovanni Grisostomo[11] Venedig
1740 Lampugnani, Giovanni BattistaGiovanni Battista Lampugnani 1740.05Mai 1740[12] Vicenza
1745 Verocai, GiovanniGiovanni Verocai 1745Februar 1745[13][14] Braunschweig Die getreue Emirena parthische Prinzessin, Dramma per musica, 3 Akte - Libretto: Georg Caspar Schürmann nach Pietro Metastasio Adriano in Siria, vielleicht stammt auch die Musik von Schürmann
1746 Graun, Carl HeinrichCarl Heinrich Graun 1746[15] Berlin
1747 Latilla, GaetanoGaetano Latilla 1747, Teatro San Carlo[16] Neapel
1748 Ciampi, Vincenzo LegrenzioVincenzo Legrenzio Ciampi 1748, Teatro San Cassiano[17][18] Venedig
1750 Abos, GirolamoGirolamo Abos 17501750, Teatro Torre Argentina[19] Rom
1750 Fiorillo, IgnazioIgnazio Fiorillo 17501750[20] Braunschweig
1750 Pampani, Antonio GaetanoAntonio Gaetano Pampani 175026. Dezember 1750, Teatro Regio Ducale Mailand Karneval 1750[21]
1751 Adolfati, AndreaAndrea Adolfati 1751Herbst 1751, Teatro del Falcone[22] Genua
1752 Hasse, Johann AdolphJohann Adolph Hasse 1752.0117. Januar 1752[23] Dresden Manuskript in der Unibibliothek Hamburg [24]
1752 Scarlatti, GiuseppeGiuseppe Scarlatti 1752.021752, Karneval, Teatro San Cassiano[25] Venedig
1753 Valentini, MichelangeloMichelangelo Valentini 17531753, Karneval[26] Bologna
1754 Peréz, DavideDavide Peréz 17541754, Karneval, Salvaterra[27] Lissabon
1754 Conforto, NicolaNicola Conforto 17544. November 1754, Teatro San Carlo[28] Neapel Spanien: 23. September 1757, Coliseo del Buen Retiro, Madrid
1754 Scolari, GiuseppeGiuseppe Scolari 1754 Venedig
1755 Bernasconi, AndreaAndrea Bernasconi 1755[29] München
1757 Brusa, FrancescoFrancesco Brusa 1757[30] Mailand
1757 Uttini, Francesco AntonioFrancesco Antonio Uttini 1757[31] Drottningholm
1758 Borghi, Giovanni BattistaGiovanni Battista Borghi 1758 Turin
1758 Capua, Rinaldo diRinaldo di Capua 17582. Januar 1758, Teatro Torre Argentina[32] Rom
1760 Mazzoni, Antonio MariaAntonio Maria Mazzoni 176014. Mai 1760, Teatro di San Giovanni Crisostomo[33] Venedig
1762 Schwanberger, Johann GottfriedJohann Gottfried Schwanberger 17621762, Großes Hoftheater[34] Braunschweig
1762 Colla, GiuseppeGiuseppe Colla 176231. Dezember 1762[35] Mailand
1765 Bach, Johann ChristianJohann Christian Bach 1765.0126. Januar 1765, King’s Theatre[36] London Verzierungen und Kadenzen von Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart KV 293e; die Aufführung 1765 London galt als Misserfolg.
Stimmlagen der Besetzung bei Bach:[37] Hadrian, römischer Feldherr und Kaiser – Alt; Sabina, seine Verlobte – Sopran; Barsene, ihre Vertraute – Sopran; Aquilio, ein römischer Tribun – Tenor; Osroes, König der Parther – Tenor; Emirena, seine Tochter – Sopran; Farnaspes, ihr Geliebter, persischer Prinz – Alt
1765 Guglielmi, Pietro AlessandroPietro Alessandro Guglielmi 1765.1226. Dezember 1765, Teatro San Benedetto[38] Venedig
1768 Mango, HieronymusHieronymus Mango 17681768[39] Eichstätt
1768 Holzbauer, IgnazIgnaz Holzbauer 17685. November 1768(?), 11. Januar 1769[40] Mannheim
1769 Majo, Gian Francesco deGian Francesco de Majo 17691769, Karneval, Teatro delle Dame[41] Rom
1769 Monza, CarloCarlo Monza 17691769[42] Neapel
1770 Tozzi, AntonioAntonio Tozzi 177017. Januar 1770, Teatro Ducale[43] Modena
1771 Sacchini, AntonioAntonio Sacchini 17711771, Himmelfahrt, Teatro San Benedetto[44] Venedig 1770 komponiert(?)
1773 Insanguine, GiacomoGiacomo Insanguine 17734. November 1773, Teatro San Carlo[45] Neapel
1775 Monti, GaetanoGaetano Monti 17751775[46] Modena
1776 Mysliveček, JosefJosef Mysliveček 17761776, Herbst, Teatro del Cocomero[47] Florenz dann: Frühjahr 1777 Teatro Nuovo, Pavia
1777 Anfossi, PasqualePasquale Anfossi 1777, Teatro Nuovo[48] Padua
1778 Sarti, GiuseppeGiuseppe Sarti 177826. Dezember 1778, Teatro Argentina[49] Rom
1779 Alessandri, FeliceFelice Alessandri 1779[50] Venedig in zwei Akten(?)
1781 Rust, GiacomoGiacomo Rust 178126. Dezember 1781, Teatro Regio di Torino[51] Turin
1782 Cherubini, LuigiLuigi Cherubini 178216. April 1782, Teatro degli Armeni[52] Livorno
1789 Nasolini, SebastianoSebastiano Nasolini 17981798[53] Mailand
1798 Mayr, Johann SimonJohann Simon Mayr 179823. Mai 1798, Teatro San Benedetto[54] Venedig
1799 MehulÉtienne-Nicolas Méhul 17994. Juni 1799, Opéra, revidierte Fassung: 26. Dezember 1801, Paris[55] Paris Adrien (ursprüngliche Fassung: Adrien, empereur de Rome) Oper, 3 Akte - Libretto: François-Benoît Hoffman nach Pietro Metastasio Adriano in Siria, Aufführungsverbot; einzige Aufführung in Deutschland 1801 in Rheinsberg
1815 Portugal, Marcos AntónioMarcos António Portugal 1815 Mailand
1821 Airoldi, PietroPietro Airoldi 1821, Teatro Carolino de Palermo Palermo
1828 Mercadante, SaverioSaverio Mercadante 182824. Februar 1828, Teatro de São Carlos[56] Lissabon Heldendrama in 2 Akten, unbekannter Librettist nach Pietro Metastasio
Thanks for the links. This is also a very nice table. It astounds me that not a single reliable source can be found for any of this, to be added to the English article—or can it? I see 56 footnote numbers, but none of them link to anything—presumably they do so on the German Wikipedia. The problem with English Wikipedia is no "too many rules"—it is "too few editors who do their homework". Auch, ich habe sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse, danke!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Antonio Caldara, Nr. 73 bei Operone.
  2. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Geminiano Giacomelli, Nr. 12 bei Operone.
  3. ^ Sandoni Adriano in Siria bei Open Library.
  4. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Battista Pergolesi bei Operone.
  5. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Francesco Maria Veracini, Nr. 1 bei Operone.
  6. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Egidio Romualdo Duni, Nr. 2 bei Operone.
  7. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Battista Ferrandini, Nr. 7 bei Operone.
  8. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Porta bei Operone.
  9. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Alberto Ristori bei Operone.
  10. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Baldassare Galuppi, Nr.14 bei Operone.
  11. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Antonio Giai, Nr.11 bei Operone.
  12. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Battista Lampugnani, Nr.8 bei Operone.
  13. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Verocai, Nr.11 bei Operone.
  14. ^ ital. Wikipedia: Giovanni Verocai
  15. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Carl Heinrich Graun, Nr. 13 bei Operone.
  16. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Gaetano Latilla, Nr. 19 bei Operone.
  17. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Vincenzo Legrenzio Ciampi, Nr. 9 bei Operone.
  18. ^ Eleanor Selfridge-Field: A New Chronology of Venetian Opera and Related Genres, 1660–1760. Stanford University Press, Stanford, California 2007, ISBN 978-0-8047-4437-9, S. 511. Abgerufen am 16. Juni 2013.
  19. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Girolamo|Abos bei Operone.
  20. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Ignazio Fiorillo, Nr. 10 bei Operone.
  21. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Antonio Gaetano Pampani bei Operone.
  22. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Andrea Adolfati bei Operone.
  23. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Johann Adolf Hasse, Nr. 41 bei Operone.
  24. ^ Hasse-Katalog der Unibibliothek Hamburg
  25. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giuseppe Scarlatti bei Operone.
  26. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Michelangelo Valentini, Nr. 4 bei Operone.
  27. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Davide Peréz bei Operone.
  28. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Nicola Conforto, Nr. 12 bei Operone.
  29. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Andrea Bernasconi, Nr. 14 bei Operone.
  30. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Francesco Brusa, Nr. 6 bei Operone.
  31. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Francesco Antonio Uttini bei Operone.
  32. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Rinaldo di Capua bei Operone.
  33. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Antonio Maria Mazzoni, Nr. 15 bei Operone.
  34. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Johann Gottfried Schwanberger bei Operone.
  35. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giuseppe Colla, Nr. 1 bei Operone.
  36. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Antonio Maria Mazzoni, Nr. 6 bei Operone.
  37. ^ Hadrian in Syrien von Johann Christian Bach bei Operone.
  38. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Pietro Alessandro Guglielmi, Nr. 23 bei Operone.
  39. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Hieronymus Mango, Nr. 9 bei Operone.
  40. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Ignaz Holzbauer, Nr. 15 bei Operone.
  41. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giovanni Francesco de Majo, Nr. 14 bei Operone.
  42. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Carlo Monza, Nr. 8 bei Operone.
  43. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Antonio Tozzi bei Operone.
  44. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Antonio Saccini bei Operone.
  45. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giacomo Insanguine, Nr. 24 bei Operone.
  46. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Gaetano Monti, Nr. 1 bei Operone.
  47. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Joseph Misliwecek, Nr. 18 bei Operone.
  48. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Pasquale Anfossi bei Operone.
  49. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giuseppe Sarti bei Operone.
  50. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Felice Alessandri bei Operone.
  51. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Giacomo Rust bei Operone.
  52. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Luigi Cherubini, Nr. 6 bei Operone.
  53. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Sebastiano Nasolini, Nr. 2 bei Operone.
  54. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Johann Simon Mayr, Nr. 9 bei Operone.
  55. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Etienne-Nicolas Méhul, Nr. 13 bei Operone.
  56. ^ Liste der Bühnenwerke von Saverio Mercadante bei Operone.

Opus 1[edit]

Hello Jerome, for the first time in my life I have been listening (on YouTube) to Opus 1 for violin.[12]. I recognized almost every single note. Is it an adaptation of (violin) works by Händel or is it the other way around? In 1719 when Händel was in Dresden he could have supplied Veracini with a copy. Some sonatas are very similar. Do you know or can you find anything about it?Taksen (talk) 06:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Händel violin sonatas are somewhat problematic (that is to say, there are a number of sonatas once attributed to Händel that are almost certainly not his). Still, assuming we are speaking of the authenticated Händel compositions, his sonatas were of course enormously influenced by Italian music, especially by Corelli. Veracini had a somewhat odd relationship to Corelli's music, as well, going so far as to rewrite some of the older master's sonatas, on grounds that he really didn't know how to compose bass lines (!!). Händel and Veracini were personally acquainted, during the latter's visits to London (and as you say, also when Händel visited Dresden), and Händel certainly would have heard Veracini perform his own compositions. Stylistically, therefore, we might expect a rather close relationship. On the other hand, it has been some time since I last listened to the Op. 1 sonatas, and I think I ought to refresh my memory.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:09, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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