Talk:Zuiderzee

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Floods[edit]

Could somebody who knows about the 1287 wall break and flood that killed 50,000 write about that in this entry? This is an interesting fact and since it is a timely anniversary I would like to place this article on te Main Page at least a few days. --mav 00:30 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

I found this in Dutch: http://www.waterstaatsgeschiedenis.nl/tijdschrift/tvw2001november/sneekermeer.htm - Patrick 02:53 Dec 15, 2002 (UTC)

This is the St Lucia flood; one of the more serious floods in The Netherlands. However it's not specifically related to the Zuiderzee. Its force has had impact throughout the Dutch coastline. Aliter 13:08, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Do we have a page on floods or storms, somewhere? Aliter 03:54, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Title[edit]

Why on earth was this page created with the name "Zuider Zee" when apparently there is/was a page with the correct name "Zuiderzee"? The latter is the official spelling and I cannot imagine any pressing need to invent a different "English" spelling for what is and remains a Dutch word. If anything, the redirection should go the other way. At least the article content (except for the main heading) has the correct spelling. If I knew how to fix this redirection, I would, but I don't - if an editor can make this correction I would be grateful. I really hate to see geographical names in my country spelled incorrectly.JavaWoman (talk) 08:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As this has not been disputed, I have moved the article to Zuiderzee (from Zuider Zee). I also wondered about the title. Lethesl 20:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zuider Zee is how it has historically been known in English to British people. Of course you may try and change this. Maybe it's colonialist or something, but often neighbouring countries have names in neighbouring languages. Hook of Holland, anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.196.33 (talk) 23:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cat: Former lake vs. Shrunken lake[edit]

I tagged this as a former lake, as there is currently nothing called the Zuider Zee; it could, however, be argued that the lake has been artificially shrunken into IJssel lake, in which case, the cat: Shrunken lake would be appropriate. The two categories are theoretically mutually exclusive. Ah well, one cat is better than none. samwaltz 22:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, Zuider Zee was never a lake... (not that I have any real objections to the category inclusion) Ben Hocking ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do have objections categorizing it as either a "Former lake" or a "Shrunken lake" since both are simply incorrect. The Zuiderzee (note spelling) never was anything but a bay (off the North Sea). The IJsselmeer is a lake that came into being when the Zuiderzee was dammed, but there was never a period when the Zuiderzee was a lake or the IJsselmeer was a bay: when the dam was finished the former ceased to exist and the latter came into being.JavaWoman (talk) 08:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I figured out how to categorize - the page now belongs to category "Former bays" (which I created).JavaWoman (talk) 08:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

Is there really an English pronunciation of Zuiderzee? This strikes me as misleading. Booshank (talk) 22:56, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, it is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.246.10.178 (talk) 11:33, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course English speakers have default ways they'd read those letters in that combination. No, it's not the same as the Dutch and, no, it's not misleading. We can still remove it pending WP:RS being used, which would probably be hard to find since most don't bother with informal pronunciations of minor historical geographical features. Once sources are found, it can still be shunted to the Wiktionary entry because Wikipedia is WP:NOTADICTIONARY. Then it just depends on whether other editors thing it's useful or not. Personally, I'd be in favor of losing the Dutch pronunciation as useless trivia (English speakers don't make those exact sounds) and keeping the English pronunciation to help people know if it's zai, zway, or zoo-ee. At minimum, the Dutch should be in the infobox and not cluttering up the lead sentence. — LlywelynII 02:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Now the IJsselmeer"[edit]

Apart from not using Dutch orthography in English (which is a matter for the Ijsselmeer's own talk page), this seems to be entirely wrong. The former Zuiderzee has been divided into the southern part of the Wadden Sea, the Ijsselmeer, and the Markermeer. If the name for all three of them together is still Zuiderzee, this article should be written to say that. If the name for all three of them together is now Ijsselmeer, that article needs to be completely rewritten and this article needs to be corrected to show that sometimes 'Ijsselmeer' only refers to the central part of what was once the Zuiderzee. — LlywelynII 02:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]