Talk:David Gilmour (album)
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This strikes me as an odd and unwieldy title for the article. David Gilmour (album) would be more in keeping with Wikipedia style -- see, e.g., Abbey Road (album). Any reason not to move it? JamesMLane 21:54, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I added the comparisons between "So Far Away" and "Comfortably Numb", and between "Short And Sweet" and "Run Like Hell". (I'm not the person who compared "Raise My Rent" to later songs.)
I hope my additions aren't considered original research. More like a simple observation (Simple if you have the ear for it!)
The chords to the "So Far Away" chorus are Bb, F, Ab, and Eb, while "Numb" goes D, A, C, G. Direct transposition. (I felt specifying the chords in the article itself might be fancruft.)
One thing I could be wrong about is the flange effect on "Short and Sweet". It could be a phaser; I can never tell the two apart. So if anyone has a dispute with that, go ahead and remove the bit about the flange. But the pedal point and drop-D stuff is solid fact. --188.8.131.52 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- For Raise My Rent comparisons can time references be given? The connection to What Do You Want From Me is easy as they are both at the beginning of the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelstrom07 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
- That couldn't hurt at this stage, because I just removed those statements.
- Somebody (possibly me, I don't remember) actually found sources for the "Short and Sweet", "So Far Away" statements. An interviewer actually asked him about the "Short and Sweet"/"Run Like Hell" similarities. That's the sort of thing this "Raise My Rent" thing needs.
- I listened to "Raise My Rent" with these comparisons in mind. I couldn't bring myself to listen to the Division Bell tunes, but I've got "Hey You" pretty thoroughly memorized, and I heard nothing in "Raise My Rent" that was especially similar.
- Are you just talking about similarities between the guitar solos? Because I wouldn't call that notable. Or rather, I wouldn't glorify it as "resurrection". It's more a simple matter of laziness: Gilmour keeps writing songs in E minor, without developing new ways of soloing in that key. I wish we could just call THAT spade a spade, 'cause the whole "Gilmour is the World's Greatest Living Guitarist" stuff is getting old! We could just put a statement in the David Gilmour article: Gilmour writes and plays predominantly in E minor, using the E blues scale (E, G, A, A#, B, and D). Heh heh heh.
- --Ben Culture (talk) 02:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
I wrote the original comment about Raise My Rent, but I only suggested it so Floyd fans would investigate other works that are clear precursors to the albums that were big sellers. I concur that it might just be laziness on Gilmour's part, but that doesn't diminish my opinion of him in the least. Funny thing is, it's not just the lead gtr, the drums & bass in WDYWFM, as well as the rhythm part after the bridge, are reminiscent of RMR. It's really as much a demo of WDYWFM as the Comfortably Numb precursor outtake is of the final Comfortably Numb. It's likely he forgot he wrote Raise My Rent (everyone else did)--Vic Elliott, Tucson, Arizona
Who wants to re-write half the article?
I've done a lot of little edits on the "Single and Songs" section -- some of the edits weren't that little, come to think of it, see above -- but I think it's passably okay. The track listing section, and everything beyond it has problems.
On the track listing, is it necessary to follow each and every song title with "(the 2006 remaster has a longer fadeout at X:XX)"? Why not say, in the section called "Re-release", that "The 2006 re-release is actually a remix [not just a remaster], with every song lasting significantly longer"? And then, leave out the timings altogether! Why have timings? Does anybody come to Wikipedia thinking "Just how long is David Gilmour's 1978 instrumental 'Deafinitely', anyway?" Not many, I should think. I think timings count as fancruft.
Then we get into the "Promotion" section. This section is full of run-on sentences (Fear not the comma! The comma is your friend.) and, y'wanna talk about fancruft, OMG, this stuff is SO not necessary. Rather, it's not especially appropriate for an encyclopaedia article. There are entire websites devoted to Gilmour alone, not to mention a small galaxy of Pink Floyd websites, and I'm certain this information can be found there. For Wikipedia, a few all-inclusive statements like "For these live performances, some songs were re-arranged. In some cases, solos were extended, some verses were dropped, and Gilmour played strap-on, stand-up guitar only [that's bad writing, but you get the point], instead of the lap steel used on songs like "[Title]". You know, maybe throw something in there about how Gilmour doesn't play slide on an ordinary guitar ('cause he doesn't, says he can't, and you could find a source on that). I don't have the wording right, but I'm saying, let's lose the obsessive fanboy details about what variation on which songs. "So Far Away" ends in a faster tempo than on the album? Geez, I love that song, and even I don't care. What would be more interesting to know is if a real piano was onstage, as this is a piano-driven ballad, or did the keyboardist play something else for it? Why isn't THAT in this section? For that matter, does David bring out an acoustic or a twelve-string, or is it all just electric? Somebody's not seeing the forest for the trees here.
Oh, and I replaced a "whilst" with "while", as I'm wont to do. Doesn't matter if we're writing about Queen Elizabeth, watching a game of cricket, and eating Spotted dick -- "whilst" is not appropriate. Major British newspapers feel the same way. Unless it's in a title or a quotation or something like that, an editor should never use "whilst". It's distracting. (Does it really come naturally to those who use it? Even British people? It strikes me as an affectation, something one starts doing at some point, perhaps at age 14 or so.) Please don't use it.
who was and who was not on cover
This is probably a distinction that does not need to be made for those in-the-know but many of these WP articles are not for those in-the-know but who comes across the article or has a question about the album sleeve.
"Among those depicted on the sleeve are Gilmour's then-wife, Ginger. Session musicians include Peter Frampton's former bassist Rick Wills and drummer Willie Wilson, who (with Gilmour) used to be part of Jokers Wild."
Of Ginger Gilmour, Rick Wills and Willie Wilson--were they all on the sleeve or only Ginger? If just G. then maybe there might be a distinction that makes it more clear that mention of the session musicians following is not about the cover but only being session musicians?
If only then-wife: "On the album sleeve is Gilmour's then-wife, Ginger. Session musicians include Peter Frampton's former bassist Rick Wills and drummer Willie Wilson, who (with Gilmour) used to be part of Jokers Wild."184.108.40.206 (talk) 00:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)