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Hi, I have taken the liberty to give this article a brush-up. I have dropped all the detailled information on what an executive producer or a line producer does. If somebody wants to have that explained, they (I love modern English) can just use the internal link of the same name... (Or instead they use the internal link for film crew!) I don't recognise a necessity to blow the article out of proportion by adding any long lists because readers can just activate a category if they should crave for lists. Well, that's my point of view.NordhornerII (talk)_The man from Nordhorn 04:06, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was useful having the Comparison to other producer roles section on here. This page is a natural place to expect to find such info. It's important to note that the various titles do not have strict definitions, however. For example, as the previous text said:
Since the 1980s, it has become increasingly common for the line producer to be given the title of executive producer, while the initiating producer takes the "produced by" credit. On other projects, the reverse happens, with the line producer taking the "produced by" credit. So the two credits have become effectively interchangeable, with no precise definition.
And you've introduced other problems in the article. Several of your refs don't back up what you're saying. The producer does not always have final say on which film director gets hired, although that happens, as with De Laurentiis. But it's not consistently true. In fact one of the refs used there shows how the newly hired director took over developing the script from producer De Laurentiis. Producers don't always have the last word when it comes to casting questions either. Your lead says producers prepare and then supervise the making of a film before presenting the product to a financing entity or a film distributor. That is self-contradictory. And a production will always have people functioning as line producer and unit production manager, whether it's being shot on location or not. - Gothicfilm (talk) 03:13, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Gothicfilm, thank you for your candour. The executive producer and the line producer have their own articles and of course all readers can follow up the given internal links. So they can draw their own comparisons if they want to go there. I agree that the distinctions between the different kinds of producers are fuzzy and that their responsibilities do often overlap. Moreover it is always possible that responsibilities are shifting during the making of a film. Anyway, how somebody is actually credited seems to depend a lot on demands and negotiations. I think the readers want a comprehensible definition which concentrates on clarity instead of stressing just all the fuzziness. Well, you are also right when you imply that a film producer is often also the film distributor. But that is not always the case. Even if a film producers is a distributor too, he might have to negotiate with other distributors. For example, Luc Besson negotiated recently with a Chinese distributor.

NordhornerII (talk)_The man from Nordhorn 23:01, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What I tried to explain is you cannot take one model of how a film was made, as with De Laurentiis or Besson, and then make it sound like it always happens that way in the article. You did not respond to most of the points above. And for the sake of re-writes, I'm all for a comprehensible definition that concentrates on clarity, but it should also be accurate. For example, people should not be left with the impression there is a precise definition for specific producer roles when there isn't. - Gothicfilm (talk) 00:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Gothicfilm, when I rewrote this article I had Artur Brauner in mind. He was a (famous) producer and just a producer. When I describe what he did as a producer, I certainly do describe what a producer does. Should you have further questions, please be specific. I am confident somebody has all the appropriate answers. If you want to make changes, you can do that as you see fit. Go on without my approval. We are both just equal members of the same community. [User:NordhornerII|NordhornerII]] (talk) _The man from Nordhorn 00:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious claims[edit]

"Consequently it is normal that the main producer will appoint executive producers,"

This is not the standard way things work. It's more often the other way around. EPs generally represent a financial interest (or sometimes an Intellectual Property interest)in a production (i.e. they keep supervisory eye on how the money is being spent, and make sure the production is following the general route that investor/s want) or, perhaps, a person such as the creator of a format who has now moved to a back seat but still wants to exercise some control over the direction of their creation. Hence it is far more usual that EPs will be involved in the appointment of a Producer than the other way around.

I also note that citation 21 does not claim what is stated to (in respect to the quote in italics above). 149.241.214.232 (talk) 14:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in the section above, there are now several statements in the article that are not accurate in all cases, and which are not backed up by their cited sources. Producer roles vary greatly film to film. There is no longer any consistent definition for executive producer in feature films, or for producer or co-producer either, and the article should not make it sound like there is. I don't have time now to re-write it myself. - Gothicfilm (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Types[edit]

There is no such thing as purely a "film producer". There are already articles for different types of producers (Executive producer, Line producer) which makes this article rather redundant since no one is ever credited as a Film Producer. Suggest merging all subtypes of producers under this single article as an umbrella as none of the other articles are of significantly different context to warrant a split. Alternatively suggest merging any valuable content to the appropriate producer article dependent on the relevant type and deleting this article.

As is it seems to be a bit scattered. David Condrey log talk 09:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

George Lucas photo[edit]

Should George Lucas's photo be used as an illustration of a "producer"? I always thought he was more of an executive producer. Trivialist (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, it's a bad example, seeing as he didn't produce either of the franchises mentioned!!! --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Addition to Content[edit]

I added the sentence "Within the industry, all of the producers union contracts are negotiated by The Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers ( AMPTP).[10] It was orginally founded in 1924 by the U.S Trade Association as the Association of Motion Picture Producers, due to mergers and companies dropping out, it wasn't until 1984 that it evolved into what we know of it today .[11]" under types of the film producer wiki page. I wasn't sure where else to put it. Should I put it somewhere else or is it fine under the types section?--Mpanico2345 (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Draft of article.[edit]

Hello Everyone my name is Matthew Panico and I have created a draft for some of the sections for the "Film Producer" wikipedia article. I would really appreciate it if someone could look at it and give me some feedback.I put the draft in my sandbox link located below. The draft is written at the bottom of my sandbox. Thank you-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mpanico2345/sandbox Mpanico2345 (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Everyone my name is Matthew Panico and I have created an updated draft for some of the sections for the "Film Producer" wikipedia article. I would really appreciate it if someone could look at it and give me some feedback. I put the draft in my sandbox link located below. The draft is written at the bottom of my sandbox. Thank You-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mpanico2345/sandbox Mpanico2345 (talk) 15:28, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Draft of Article (Part 2)[edit]

Hello, I have created a draft for some of the sections of the "Film Producer" wikipedia article and would really appreciate if someone took a look at it and gave me feedback. The draft is in my sandbox and I have attached the link to it below. Thank you!-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jennaseacott/sandbox Jennaseacott (talk) 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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