Talk:Pokémon

Nemona in Wikipedia

Hey, guys, I made an article focus on Nemona.

Here it is: Draft:Nemona. Starkiryu64 (talk) 07:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Starkiryu64. Firstly: the draft is only one sentence long. Secondly: if you would expand it and move it to the main space, it would be deleted, because it lacks sufficient notability. At Bulbapedia, such content is welcome though. 😉 Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

oh.

Can we make an article about Lusamine or no? Starkiryu64 (talk) 14:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Only a handful of highly prominent Pokémon characters are allowed to have their own article on this site. See Category:Pokémon characters. However, Wikipedia does have List of Pokémon characters and List of Pokémon anime characters. For more extensive information, people can visit fansites like Bulbapedia. Take care, Manifestation (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Were Gold and Silver really intended as the final Pokemon games?

For a long time, I believed that Gold and Silver were intended as the franchise's last installments. As the 'finish line', hence their names. In 2010, Ishihara said this in a Iwata Asks interview:

“ Iwata: You’ve just used the term “ultimate” and I feel that even in their names, Gold and Silver were meant to be the ultimate in Pokémon games.

Ishihara: That’s right. After we released Red and Green, we began working on these titles, thinking that the ultimate in Pokémon games could only ever be Gold and Silver.

Iwata: Not in your wildest dreams did you think that you’d be making more and more games after Gold and Silver. (laughs)

Ishihara: The reason that I licensed so many products and developed things like the trading cards was basically to ensure that Gold and Silver were successful. I felt that this was my primary role. So at that time, I worked with the assumption that after we put out Gold and Silver, my work as far as Pokémon was concerned would be done.

Iwata: I see.

Ishihara: So for me, Gold and Silver represented the finish line.

Iwata: They were the finish line?

Ishihara: I didn’t intend to make any more Pokémon titles. I even thought that once we entered the twenty-first century, it would be time for me to do something else entirely. (laughs)

Iwata: (laughs)

”

Like many others, I interpreted this passage as meaning that Gold & Silver were planned to be Pokemon's final.

However, when you go to the third page of the interview, you can see this:

“ Ishihara: I remember that when Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver were released, I felt like a burden had finally been lifted from my shoulders. We'd had our sights set on the finish line of Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver for so long, and now that we'd finally completed the major series running right through from Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue, I felt I could say to Tajiri-san: "I've fulfilled my duty!"

Iwata: But that didn't turn out to be the finish line.

Ishihara: No, it didn't turn out to be the finish line! (laughs) Once we'd released Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver and it was selling even faster than Pokémon Red and Pokémon Green, I couldn't very well get off the ride halfway through saying: "Nice work everyone. Good luck from here on in!"

”

That last part, about not wanting to get off halfway through, is important. More about that later.

Last month, Did You Know Gaming? released a video in which they state:

“ Okay, now we're gonna debunk a couple of long-running, popular rumors about Gen 2, starting with the oft-repeated claim that Gold & Silver were originally planned to be the last Pokemon games ever made. (...) It's been a persistent rumor for over a decade. But it just ain't true. In a July 2000 issue of Nintendo Online Magazine we translated, originally published before Gold & Silver were even released outside Japan, series creator Satoshi Tajiri and now-president of The Pokemon Company explain Gen 2's development. The interview asks if Gold & Silver is the end of the story. Tajiri says flat-out: "No, it's not the end." ”

Here, DYKG incorrectly calls Tajiri the president of The Pokémon Company; this is in fact Ishihara. However, the rest of their information is correct. They cite this interview (translation) with Tajiri and Ishihara, which states:

“ Q: “The first Pokemon games were Red, Green, and Blue. But the sequels’ names went straight to Gold & Silver. For some reason these new titles make us feel like the story’s coming to an end…”

Tajiri: “No, it’s not the end. With the originals we pushed ourselves to the limit and put everything we had into them. Our staff was expanded for the sequels, so we chose those names to suggest an even more amazing game is on the way.”

Ishihara: “We made Red & Green, then after that we made Blue. Later we made Yellow, and it might’ve been nice if the next games were called Pink or Purple. But if we did that, all we’d be doing is perpetually making extensions of the originals. But by calling them Gold & Silver, I think we keep the color theme, but at the same time adding a new element that expresses there’s something more to them than the originals.”

”

Regarding the 2010 Iwata Asks interview, DYKG argues that Ishihara was misunderstood, and that he was only talking about himself, not Game Freak. In the quote below (direct link), the narrator emphasizes the pronouns, which I bolded and italicized:

“ [Ishihara] is just saying he was done, not the franchise. Throughout that same [Iwata Asks] interview, Ishihara goes on to say: "For me, Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver represented the finish line. I didn't intend to make any more Pokémon titles. It would be time for me to do something else." Every Pokemon game up to that point was made by 10 or 20 developers, and sold in the tens of millions -- they were ridiculously profitable. A lot of development was literally done out of a house -- they didn't even have to pay for office space. Game Freak would've been swimming in cash even if they were only selling one million. Ishihara wasn't a developer -- he did do some consultation on the games, but first and foremost he was the guy who sold merchandise and licensing deals. He was worried Pokemon fever was cooling off, so if sales really did drop significantly, there wouldn't have been boatloads of merch and licensing anymore. So he was considering moving on and taking his business skills elsewhere -- but ultimately decided, quote: "I couldn’t very well get off the ride halfway through". ”

Clearly, DYKG's knowledge is lacking here at some points. Tajiri absolutely did rent office space, and Ishihara's role in the development of Red and Green went beyond "some consultation". See the Wikipedia article.

Still, DYKG does have a point here. Ishihara made important contributions to Red and Green, which were programmed and graphically created by Game Freak. But Ishihara was never *in* Game Freak. He became a manager at Ape, Inc. upon its establishment in 1989, and became its vice-president in 1991 (see Tomisawa (2000), p. 30 and Hatakeyama & Kubo (2000), p. 97-98). On 8 November 1995, he founded Creatures, Inc., which was granted co-ownership of Pokemon. But perhaps Ishihara's remark about not wanting to "get off the ride halfway through" indicates that he had a degree of independence. He could've abandoned Pokemon if he wanted to, and leave all his duties to Game Freak and Nintendo, but he chose not to out of loyalty.

The DYKG video further points out:

“ At the end of one of those Japanese magazine interviews, they ask Game Freak that now Gold & Silver's finished, if they felt like they'd completed the games they wanted to make. They all said in unison: "Not even close!" Masuda continued, saying: "To us, they don't feel fully complete." They'd pushed the Game Boy Color to its limits, but there's still so much more they wanted to do. ”

To me, this issue is inconclusive. I do believe, however, that it is justified to remove this information about Gold & Silver from the article. - Manifestation (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2024

Generation VIII[422] debuted with the release of Pokémon Sword and Shield on November 15, 2019 for the Switch.[423] The new region now take place in the region called galar, which is based on the United Kingdom in real life. Within this game, the creators implemented many features such as wild area, camps, and max raid battles. Director Shigeru Ohmori stated that they designed the games based on what they believed of the biggest Pokémon theme of becoming/being "the greatest or strongest," which was expressed in the games' gigantic-size Pokémon core mechanic called dynamax and gigantamax and the games' increasingly powerful software and hardware capabilities. Within the Ohmori further revealed that through developing the Let's Go games as research projects for the Switch, they were able to gain valuable experiences and knowledge to develop Sword and Shield. He noted that they took advantage of the Switch's high resolution and TV connectivity to implement the games' gigantic-size core Pokémon mechanic. They envisioned the games' setting to be a "wide-open space" that is different from the traditional route systems and is constantly changing where the player can meet and explore with other players.[424] LLTJoker (talk) 21:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

@LLTJoker: Please explain why you want these changes to be made. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 21:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Apparently you intended to add this particular sentence to the article: "The new region now take place in the region called galar, which is based on the United Kingdom in real life. Within this game, the creators implemented many features such as wild area, camps, and max raid battles.".
However, the article is supposed to be a summary. The paragraph in question is big enough as it is, and does not need more details. Those can be placed in Pokémon Sword and Shield. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 21:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2024

Add new section about Pokemon Legends: Z-A.

Urps5westie (talk) 02:26, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 03:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I have added one sentence to the article about the recently announced Pokémon Legends: Z-A, the successor to Pokémon Legends: Arceus. - Manifestation (talk) 19:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Does a Pokemon art exhibition of traditional Japanese artists rate?

While working on the page Yuki Hayama, I learned he created a single vase containing over 500 Pokemon illustrations. Further, this was part of an entire exhibition of many Japanese artists that incorporated Pokemon themes into their art forms including sculptures, weavings, paintings etc. The first exhibition was held in Japan and it has subsequently traveled to Los Angeles.

Another editor felt this didn't rate as being interesting enough to be included into the page.

Proposed text:

Acclaimed Japanese artists integrated Pokémon into their traditional art forms for an exhibition first held in Japan. The exhibition then traveled to Los Angeles. For example, artist Yuki Hayama reproduced over 500 Pokémon-themed illustrations onto a single vase that required multiple firings to complete.

References

What are your thoughts? I suggest you first look at the website for the exhibition before deciding. Pbmaise (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Pbmaise. Thank you for your contributions. I agree that the Pokémon sculptures look really cool. The reason why I still removed your paragraph is because it falls outside the scope of the article. Wikipedia articles are supposed to be summaries, and should only include the most important stuff. The Pokémon franchise is huge, and includes lots of ancillary phenomena, such as Pokéfuta, Twitch Plays Pokémon, and Pokémon Uranium. None of these are mentioned in the main Pokémon article, because they aren't as notable.

You could try and write a separate article about the art exhibition, but it will likely be nominated for deletion. A mention in the Yuki Hayama article would probably be the highest attainable result for you. Take care, Manifestation (talk) 15:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)