Talk:Steve Coleman

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Transfer from German Wikipedia.

Hello from Austria/Europe

Manfred —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.124.20.11 (talk • contribs) 07:07, April 10, 2005 (UTC)

There's an extensive article about Coleman (who is more popular in Europe than in the US) on German wikipedia, de: Steve Coleman. Anyone who speaks German and wants to expand the English version may find this a valuable resource. However, I've reverted Manfred's overwrite of the English stub with the German article. --Ferdinand Pienaar 07:24, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Ferdinand!

Also in Europe Steve Coleman is absolutely not popular. Charlie Parker, John Coltrane and so on ….. they all never were popular in their time. But maybe there are more people in Europe who are interested in cultural things. Musicians and critics in Europe tell that the circumstances for creative Jazz are now growing from bad to worse in the USA. - The idea of an encyclopedia has come from the European Age of Enlightenment and should be a counterpoise to the primitivism of commerce. So I think it is a shame that even such a panel like wikipedia doesn’t realize a present musician who is called as one of the outstanding characters of American music history by another well known Jazz musician: Don Byron. – I thought I can do something that is more than to codify platitudes.

The article about “M-Base” is only one big lack of understanding, sorry for my hard word! It is highly recommended to read Steve Coleman’s explanation on www.M-Base.com.

I hope I have not antagonized you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.124.20.11 (talk • contribs) 09:00, April 10, 2005 (UTC)

Since I'm neither European nor American, I can observe that, while it's sad that many American musicians have to go to Europe to find appreciative audiences, innovators of the first rank are still almost exclusively Americans. So, however bad the "circumstances for creative jazz" are in America, that's still the source, notwithstanding certain talented European musicians. As for Steve Coleman's theories about his music, I don't find them particularly enlightening, just as I don't find that reading about Ornette Coleman's "harmolodic" theories adds to my enjoyment of his music. I'll leave updates to the M-Base article to someone who feels qualified. --Ferdinand Pienaar 22:17, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Here is a link that may be interesting for understanding Coleman's rythmic construction (sorry for my english...). It concerns Willie Anku theory that learn how to write african rythms that cannot be expressed by our notation of music. http://mto.societymusictheory.org/issues/mto.00.6.1/mto.00.6.1.anku.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.128.152.118 (talk • contribs) 12:20, August 3, 2006 (UTC)

Actually I know Anku and I've talked to him extensively about his notation ideas. Its more than notation though. What Willie is trying to figure out is a form through which the rhythmic concepts can be understood. I could update this page a lot but I seem not to have the Wiki skills together in order to make a proper edit. However I could do it in collaboration with someone else who is more familiar with the Wikipedia format. I don't have this problems on my own web site - hahaha. Aside from any kind of ego massaging the most accurate information could probably be provided by the artist themselves, but again It would be helpful to work with someone else. By the way, for many years now, if you are not doing mainstream music Europe has been the place that has supported almost all of the artists I know (at least in my circle). The comparison of the support we recive in Europe vesus the USA is not even close. This is not so much due to the people but the exposure of the music, the US is mainly concerned with commercialism and what we do here is basically underground. But I for one do not want to move to Europe as many have done because as Ferdinand has said, because of the sheer size of the country there are still many creative and excellent musicians in the US, especially around NY, and that is the main reason for staying. Steve Coleman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mbase1235 (talk • contribs) 23:38, August 18, 2006 (UTC)

If help is still requested please look at Dim’s forum (General Discussion). There is a post entitled “WIKIPEDIA”.

Manfred 3. October 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.48.239.254 (talk • contribs) 14:36, October 3, 2006 (UTC)


M-BASE?[edit]

I'm no expert, but a description of this concept seems important when discussing Coleman. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.225.143.253 (talk • contribs) 17:08, October 5, 2006 (UTC)

References[edit]

This article is partially authored otherwise accepted by Steve Coleman himself (see [1]). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mampf-new (talk • contribs) 18:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

^^^ I thought you aren't supposed to do that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.64.228 (talk) 22:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I can not understand. Please talk a bit to me if you want to tell me something. Or write on my user page. Mampf-new (talk) 12:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

African-American/„Jazz“ saxophone player[edit]

You may categorize Steve Coleman as a jazz musician, but he refuses this term and such categories like many other great musicians of this music tradition in the past. If you read a bit about this problem you see that there is a good reason why they have refused these categories. Of course, his music is in the field that is usually called „jazz“ and so I think it may be okay that he is categorized as jazz musician in the frame on the right side of the article. But we should not bother these masters with our dubious terms and categories abudantly. – Furthermore his music has a distinct African-American character and he himself seems to regard his music as part of a tradition of the African Diaspora. So I think the reference to his African-American quality is correct. There is no reason why we should eliminate cultural and ethnic diversity. Mampf-new (talk) 08:58, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of sexual misconduct[edit]

There is someone editing removing the recent allegations against Steve Coleman on the grounds of sexual misconduct, which was reported in a news outlet. This edit likely comes from a biased source; can the source step forward and please explain the impulse behind constant removal of section without any proper explanation? This goes against standards of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.207.212.134 (talk) 03:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not the person who has either added or removed these libelous allegations. I am Steve Coleman. What goes against the standards of Wikipedia is biased posts that try to libel a person unfairly. The real problem here is that this post is extremely biased and one-sided. The accusations from both sides should be proven in court, not on Wikipedia. There was no attempt to be fair, to ascertain what my complaint is against these libelous accusations. This post does not even state that I am disputing all of the claims. The only quotes are taken from the perspective of the defendant, so there is a clear agenda here.

"claims that [he] preyed on a teen protégé and sexually harassed her during a tortured five-year relationship."

The article reports that "the woman was 17 at the time, while Coleman was 52,"

alleging that "he once took pictures of her sleeping and showed them to her, causing her to feel uneasy," among other allegations.

There is not one single quote from my filed complaint, which is richly sourced, complete with exact dates, etc., all of which can be backed up by written evidence, and accessible via public record. This Wikipedia entry is simply focusing on and echoing disputed libelous claims, and appears to be malicious in intent, and I have already filed serval complaints with Wikipedia. Lance appears to have an ulterior agenda for continuing to push this biased post.

It is one thing to quote a source (that is already problematic). It is another to do so in a one-sided manner, in order to suggest that one party of this dispute is guilty. If you want to post and quote, quote from both parties, my complaint is public record, where both parties are named and identified (not just one party). Instead this is an obvious attempt to influence others in the court of public opinion. Any post that does not present both party's points of view should be questioned. Mbase1235 (talk) 07:09, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • These allegations should not be added back into the article. 12.207.212.134 check the WP:BLPCRIME policy for details. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 15:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, I complained about this in 2018. Now on the French Wikipedia there is this same problem.
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Coleman
    I don't speak French well enough, but I was alerted to this by someone in France who told me that I should get it removed. Here is the approximate text:
    In 2017, Steve Coleman was accused by saxophonist Maria Grand of sexual harassment , accusing him of taking advantage of his position as a mentor to force him to have sex from 2011 to 2016 1 . Coleman replies by October 2018 with a lawsuit and a $500,000 compensation claim for lost musical engagements as a result of these revelations . In March 2021, the judgment ruled in favor of Maria Grand 2 . Grand was a member of Steve Coleman's band and in particular featured on the album Synovial Joints. Mbase1235 (talk) 06:17, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This information is intentionally misleading. The so-called source is only from Maria Grand's lawyers. My lawsuit is still active under appeal and has NOT been decided. I will not get into it here but Maria Grand is on a campaign to ruin my career, because I refused to divorce my wife and marry her. I have been fighting this for years.
    The evidence that Grand is lying is on my website.
    https://colemanvsgrand.info/
    I also wrote a rebuttal in a Jazz Magazine to a 2021 article that contained many false statements, as well as Grand's false criminal accusations of forced sex.
    https://jazztimes.com/features/special-feature/steve-colemans-rebuttal/
    It is only a matter of time before Maria Grand is exposed. But in the meantime there should not be articles in Wikipedia that assume my guilt without giving me a voice.
    I cannot find anyway to complain to the French Wikipedia about this article.
    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Coleman Mbase1235 (talk) 06:24, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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